EP 083 Better in Bed; Closing the Orgasm Gap

The average male takes about 5:30 mins to orgasm, but the average female takes over 18 minutes. What to do?! Jeff Abraham, CEO of Promescent talks about what couples can do to close that gap and have more enjoyable sex by focusing on the pleasure part of sex. This is a sponsored episode but we put the products to the test with past guests. Was it as advertised? From delay spray to female arousal gel to Vita-flux, a sexual wellness supplement, we're talking about erection strength, libido, and lubrication.
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​Guest 0:01
I go this stuff actually really works.

Leyna 0:03
Wait a second. No, no, no, no, I don't care if you're the CEO of the company. Now you can't gloss over it like that. You said you tested this thing out.

Guest 0:12
You rub it primarily on the frenulum, which is the underside of the head of the penis.

Leyna 0:17
So let's get to it.

The conversations you're about to hear are intended for mature audiences. If adult themes are offensive to you, well grow up so dirty talk. So dirty, talk so sex talk. Yeah, it started off as dirty talk. I was actually like, very excited to see my partner with somebody else. She looked at me and said, so you want to have sex with other people? That's what you’re saying. And you find it a turn on to hear about what he did. Yeah. And then it's like, I want to come home and get it the way she got it. Does he know you have a boyfriend this is consenting adults with Leyna Nguyen. 

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Leyna 0:55
Hi, everyone. Today's episode is on something called the arousal gap. which means of course, there's an orgasm gap between men and women. And my guest today is very well versed in sexual wellness, especially focusing on making the sexual experience more enjoyable for both are all three are all six are all 12 however many people you have, but making it a more enjoyable experience for everyone involved. This is a sponsored episode, but I do know the products work as advertised. And I've gotten to know the CEO much better and I just adore him. He has good people. doing good things for sexual wellness. And I didn't even know they're already kind of known in the swinger community. But if you don't know about them yet, you're about to learn a lot more and I'm hoping today's episode may even teach you a little something about yourself. 

Leyna 1:46
Okay, we have a really special episode today. Of course, all of my guests are special, but sometimes you talk about things and it doesn't appeal to everyone. Like some people are turned off by cuckolding some people are turned off by bisexuality, some aren't into polyamory, but if you're into sex, and if you're not into sex, just turn this off. If you’re into sex you're going to enjoy this episode, Jeff Abraham, the CEO of a company called Promescent. I am so impressed by your ability to talk about something that one can either come off very clinical especially if you have a medical background or two. Mostly men just kind of can't talk about it. Let's talk about sex. Shall we? Know I'm wondering if you've always been this open about being able to talk about not just the good stuff, but the bad stuff in the bedroom? too? Or is this something that came with age?

Guest 2:45
It definitely came with age and I think one of the reasons is being born in western Pennsylvania and a little small coal mining town south of Pittsburgh, and it was the time I'm 64 years old. So obviously I was born in 1957 times were a lot more puritanical back then you really didn't talk about sex. And if guys did, it was bragging. It wasn't anything that we'd have a legitimate conversation. It was about your sexual prowess and how much of a superstar you were in the bedroom. It was probably in my mid 30s That you know, I moved to California and adopted a different way of looking at the world and thinking it just struck me as really odd that for men in particular being a man, most of people I talked to initially were men about sex was how every man didn't feel like he had the need to be the fastest runner every man didn't feel the need to be the highest jumper. Every man didn't feel the need to have the highest benchpress or whatever. And guys would laugh about Well, I'm really not that strong. But when it came to sex, every guy had to say, I'm the best. I don't have any deficiencies. I don't need anything. And it just it was really odd because I've never really seen anyone looked down on a diabetic for taking insulin. When anyone has cancer. Nobody looks down on them for you know, taking chemo. It's like, well, I need these. And there's a lot of reasons why men don't perform at their peak in the bedroom that are physiological in nature. So why this you know, shame and why are people uptight about saying I might need a little bit of a boost to help me perform better in the bedroom. So even this was back when I owned a semiconductor engineering business, not when I was running a sexual wellness company that transformation had already begun. Back then. My goal was to develop what I had was strength and I was always I knew I had the ability to work hard. I was intuitive, and I was fairly smart. I go I'm gonna be a businessman while everyone else was dreaming about being on the cover of Sports Illustrated. And you know, all the other 8,10,12,14 year old kids were dreaming about that or being on the cover of you know, you know, People magazine's Sexiest 100 men, I never had illusions. I was always based, grounded in reality, making the best out of what you have. So why doesn't that translate into the bedroom?


Leyna 4:59
First of all, there is no good answer for that. I don't know why it's still so taboo, even to talk about the good stuff. Right? So when we're talking about deficiencies, right, it seems very negative. So I'm so glad that you said that, that you're right. If if someone needs help, they're diabetic. You don't look at them as any less of a person. Oh, so why do men feel like I would be less of a man? If I needed a little help in the bedroom? You shouldn't?

Guest 5:30
I think you're less of a man. If you don't focus on giving your partner the ultimate amount of pleasure. Okay, and

Leyna 5:36
for a single Jeff Are you single? Yeah.

Guest 5:43
Here's the funny part. I always tell men, that you can get the benefit of being looked at as the most selfless giving person in the world by being very open and into giving your partner the best sex ever. But in reality, you're being selfish because you're going to get the best sex ever. Because if a woman says I like this guy, he's intelligent, he's funny, and he gives me a lot of very intense orgasm she's gonna go I'm not letting him get away therefore I'm gonna make sure and you can treat it like you're Gandhi. Okay, like oh my god, he he really focus on my pleasure. You know, it's, and I've laughed at myself. I'm like, well, actually, there's something in it for me as well. You know, I mean, I, I don't want to, you know, like, let the secret out. So people go, Oh, now I know why you're doing that. You know, I mean, and so I tell them even when they come to our site, because we have a lot of products, we have vibrators and you know all these toys. A lot of guys literally think that if their woman you know, wants a vibrator either incorporated into the relationship or they find one, you know, in her, you know, underwear drawer, whatever that means. Oh my god, there's something wrong with me. I'm like, Are you nuts? Okay? There are literally two types of women when it comes to vibrators in the world women who admit they have one and women who lie about the fact that they have one I mean, it's ridiculous okay. It should be looked at as a way to further your experience. It's but you know, then again, that fragile male ego you know, I mean, oh my god, if she wants to incorporate a vibrator into being with me, or if there are times that you know, we're not together, she uses a vibrator. Does that mean there's something wrong with me? Is that a threat to my masculinity? No, it is not. Okay. It means that as a woman she has a capacity to have multiple orgasms a lot more than you as a man, and she may want to do that or think about this for a second because of where the clitoris is actually located. A lot of women don't really climax during vaginal penetration. You know, it's really only about 45%. So why not? Give her that toy while you're actually together to allow her to achieve a higher experience?

Leyna 7:53
Right. You know, I talked to a former colleague, very good friend of mine, Elsa Ramon, and she was episode four. I was amazed how long it took her to be able to introduce toys into the bedroom. And I think we women because we're so sensitive, right? We don't want to hurt your feelings and a lot of men would be threatened especially younger men, right? They would be threatened because I mean, let's face it, Jeff, you really can't compete with one

Guest 8:27
no. Charge it up. You can go for hours and hours and hours. It doesn't complain. You don't have to worry about offending it. It's ego you know, I mean, it's like always consistent, you know, I mean, it really truly is a great addition to any couples lovemaking. You know, and when you said that women have to be careful. The most fragile substance on Earth is the male ego. And I can't imagine because if you're a woman, you literally have to be sexual for your man, but not too sexual because you're too sexual. Where'd you learn that? You know, like, you know, you have to walk that line. It's so difficult and my message to you know, all the males that I talked to and I you know, when I interact with them via email, or even sometimes interactive chat or on a podcast is I say, take the focus away from yourself. Literally, drop the ego leave your ego at the door, just relax, mellow out, you'll be better for it even in terms your own enjoyment,

Leyna 9:29
right. Okay? But enough about dildos and vibrators. You don't hear women say that too often. No. And I love that you're able to talk about that. And I love that people bring toys into the bedroom and you have products for for that. But what I really want to talk about is this other product that you have and I'm going to tell my listeners now, before I had on the show, I have someone testing it. Okay, it's Mike from episode one, actually, who's become a very good friend of mine. And so I will tell you the results of this test of the many many things that you provide for the bedroom, this spray that you have, the first question in my mind was, Oh, come on, really? A spray. Can you talk about this for a moment and then I've got a ton of questions for you

Guest 10:27
Certainly. It was developed by Hoag hospital urologist who happened to be my neighbor, my friend and my doctor, Dr. Ronald Gilbert. And so I was a semiconductor you know, executive, I had a big semiconductor engineering company. I was very fortunate had success. So I retired at age 53,11 years ago. I went in to see Ron for my yearly PSA yearly physical, and he asked me for my advice, he goes, I really think you're a great businessman. I develop this product and I go, what is it he goes, I developed a solution for PE I go you developed a solution for physical education? At my age, when I heard PE I thought, physical education when I was in high school, college, he went to PE he goes, no dummy. He goes, premature ejaculation Oh, like erectile dysfunctions. ED, this is yeah, yes. So I said, really? He goes, Yeah, so he explained how the product worked. And I said, Okay, that's interesting. And I said, how big is this market and I thought it was probably 10% The size of you know, ED, which was 5 billion at that point. He goes, it's about 10 to 15% larger, I'm like, My head started spinning. I'm like, he goes actually 15 to 20% of ED is misdiagnosed PE because if a man has chronic PE reading chronic premature ejaculation, he will eventually develop anxiety related ED because he knows that getting an erection leads to an unsatisfactory conclusion. So he developed stage fright or inability to get aroused like oh my god. So I said, Hey, can I try some of that? He goes, Yeah, so he gives me a bottle of thing and I was dating a financial analyst. It's time her name was Carolyn. And so from the parking lot I call her I go hey, can you come over this evening? Want me evaluate? I'm thinking of making this investment because I thought if this really works, and he's having trouble, invested his company, help him up. She comes over that night we have dinner, you know, the whole thing after dinner, she goes, Hey, let's take a look at that investment. So she's thinking I brought him some prospectus, okay, I'm making some investment. You know, like, she's thinking I'm gonna I have something from you know, you know? Yeah, so I go upstairs, I come down with this bottle of Promescent and I go here, she looks at it. She starts laughing. She goes, Oh, you're such a pervert. I go what she goes, I thought this investment No, no, no, trust me. I am a pervert. But I got tells me I go back to thinking investing. This is Ron's company. I showed her and she knew Ron, because he was my friend. She was Oh my God. It is like oh, no, I'm serious. I'm thinking invested in the company. So the next day I called him and I'm like, I want to invest. I go this stuff actually really works.

Leyna 12:55
Wait a second. No, no, no, no, I don't care if you're the CEO of the company. Now you can't gloss over it like that. You said your test this thing out?

Guest 13:03
Oh, yeah. No, I Okay. So let me get specific. So I tested it out. So when I call them the next day, he's like, What do you think? I said, Well, actually it's too good. He goes, What do you mean? I go, literally, I felt like I was in an MMA match. I go, she was tapping out after like, 40 minutes, you know, I mean, and he's like, what he goes, How much did you use? And I go, Well, I looked on the instructions, it said three to 10 sprays. So I use five. And he goes, No, that's if you have PE he goes, if you're using it recreationally. He goes you only use one spray go well, thanks for telling me after the fact you know, and so, you know, I normally you know, last 15 to 20 minutes, you know, in that range, but I used it and I literally had to focus and concentrate to try to finish you know, and oh,

Leyna 13:48
okay, hold on a second. Can you talk about the timeframe thing? Yes. 15 To 20 minutes, even though I know people will joke and say, Oh, I could go when I well. No, you can't go an hour but 15 to 20 minutes is actually a long time, isn't it? I mean, don't most How long do can most men,

Guest 14:06
man lasts about five minutes and 42 seconds during the average healthy male who doesn't suffer for the last five minutes and 42 seconds. This is from a clinical trial during intercourse during penetration and thrusting. The average female takes 18 to 20 minutes to climax vaginally. So there's a term for it that urologists and therapists are very familiar. It's called the arousal gap. But a lot of men like myself, when you get older, you last a lot longer. You know, a lot of times unless you have an issue like prostatitis or low testosterone, it generally is confined to younger men. But I will tell you that a lot of people use the product recreationally because a lot of men normally fall into that, you know, 5,6,7 minute range, and a lot of females take 18 to 20. So this is something that even healthy couples don't have PE benefit by doing this. That's why there's 7 trillion vibrators in the world. That's why guys stop start thinking about baseball scores, think about their grandmother, and they have all these coping mechanisms during intercourse because you have no idea how many people use our product that I'll have discussions with because I'm very active reaching out to our you know, customer base and stuff and they'll go you know, it's really bizarre. I didn't really think I had it but I bought it just you know, kind of experiment. I was curious. And they go you know, I lasted long enough to satisfy my partner but to last two to three minutes before she would climax. I'd be like Oh, not yet. Not yet. Oh my God, I hope doesn't go reverse cowgirl Oh my god. I hope that's I hope that's and they go this anxiety. I felt like there's a little guy on my shoulder Not yet Not yet. That creates anxiety and intimacy are two completely separate feelings that should never be intermingle. Okay, you bring anxiety in your intimacy it diminishes your intimacy no matter who you are. Anxiety should not be in your bedroom when you're intimate with your partner. So it's something that is common among men. Some have habit chronically acutely, some men have it time to time, but it is something that almost every male in on the planet at one point or another deals with, and we need to be open about it. We need to be honest about it. And we need to tell people that there are satisfactory solutions out there that are safe, that you know, are trusted, and they have clinical trials behind them.

Leyna 16:28
Right so you were talking about the arousal gap. Yeah. I had read something on this. Not that we needed a study. Right? Yes. But I thought oh my gosh, it's like it's like my cars like I compared it to our cars like so. I have a Tesla. We also have a 69 ranchero Alright, so the Tesla, you know it just like you don't warm it up, it's

Guest 16:56
ready to go. Ready to go. Yeah,

Leyna 16:59
the Ranchero you gotta and especially if it's cold out. You got to warm up. You gotta let it run for a bit. But man, like when she's warm and she's running? She sounds fabulous. It's everyone looks as it feels. That sounds good. Right? So it's like that is like there's this huge gap into how you get to where you both want to get which is the Wow, right? Okay, you got to tell me how do you use it? I mean, it sounds simple enough. So you just like spray it on.

Guest 17:29
People and you hit on this earlier when you said to be able to talk like a common man. One of the things is when our doctors used to go on to podcast, people go how to use the product and go Well you spray it on the friendly limit them but then people are friendly. So the frenulum is the underside of the head of the penis, okay, so you take however many if you have severe PE you're going to use the upper range if you're using it recreationally to one spray. You rub it primarily on the frenulum which is the underside of the head of the penis. That's where the majority of the sensory nerves are the majority of people that prematurely rapidly ejaculate, that's where it stems from. And then you rub it in and you have to wait seven to 10 minutes. Some people it's only five minutes depending on your body chemistry until it absorbs. One of the things that makes the product effective. We change the crystal structure of lidocaine from a solid to an oil aqueous form. What that means is normally it's a solid, so it just sits on the surface of your skin. Right but because we change the crystalline structure to oil aqueous you apply it in it absorbs so within five minutes up to 10 minutes, it's completely below the surface. So it gives you the male higher degree of surface sensitivity. It also doesn't transfer to your partner.

Leyna 18:45
Okay, so that was my first question when I heard about this. Yeah, my first question was, well, wait a second. How does it affect the female? How does it affect the woman? How does it affect your partner? Yes, it's very low transfer or whatever. So that like I'm not gonna,

Guest 19:00
you're not gonna. I tell people that if you're with a partner and you're going to have oral sex performed on you, after applying it, then just after you apply it, wait five, seven minutes and then take a damp cloth and just wipe off your penis only because there's a Listerine kind of an aftertaste. You know, I mean, it will affect you, it will numb you. But sometimes people are like Listerine doesn't put me in the mood, you know that kind of. So if you're going to receive oral sex after applying it I always say use a damp cloth because at that point, the active ingredients absorbed you're still going to get the benefits. Okay? Want that medicinal taste because that's the suspension that the Lidocaine is in. So, remove that. Oh, very

Leyna 19:41
good. Okay. So, like whoever is going to give you oral sex is not going to start slurring her words.

Guest 19:45
Yeah, no, she's not gonna run.

Leyna 19:49
Okay, sorry. That was a question in my head.

Guest 19:56
And to be honest with you all the products that existed before us that aren't eutectic that's exactly what what happened. You would use it it would completely numb you up, it would completely numb your partner. And I tell people that you would both be able to have a 40 minute experience, but no one could climax because everyone's not my feeling is if that's the case, just take a spin class or a hot yoga class, okay? You're gonna get a lot of movement and sweating in but no happy ending. So it's like why are you doing it?

Leyna 20:23
Right? Okay. So I shipped it to my friend Mike from episode one, because he is a good friend. He will tell it like it is to me. I don't know how familiar you are with our listenership, but we're talking about Swingers,

Guest 20:41
although I've done some research and listen to your podcast and, you know, I done a ton of swinger podcast and you know, I really applaud what you're doing okay. Because I like you had no idea how big the network you know, I mean, and the lifestyle as they refer to it is, and I always thought that okay, the swinger network is like maybe 2% of the population. They're all these crazy, you know, edgy people, you know, and then I started realizing, especially if if I open this company, the butcher next door, the, you know, stock broker across the street or into the lifestyle and you have no ideas, and, you know, it's becoming more common now and people becoming much more comfortable, you know, you can have a non monogamous relationship and still have a strong, very good relationship. So no, I'm very familiar with your listenership. And I'm fascinated by it.

Leyna 21:39
Very often they will find themselves in situations where it's like, they say, it's like too much stimulation where it's like live porn all around them. They're having sex with different people. It's like their dreams have come true. Right? So I think I can see where this might be helpful. Anyway, so Mike, from episode one, tried it, he loves it. His wife is very, very happy. Now the the bottle that it comes in is is pretty small, so you know you travel with it. It also comes in wipes is that right?

Guest 22:20
Yes product. It's a different product that's benzocaine based because the monograph only covers lidocaine. This spray is a little more effective than the white on a scale of one to 10 or sprays an eight or wipes or probably a six in a bottle, you can get a lot more active ingredient, but people really wanted the wipes if they travel. But you know, the crazy part is so on our site, we make it very clear. When people go to order we go this doesn't have the same level of efficacy. It's better than not having anything and if you want that little wipe that fits you know in your pocket without even realizing we have anything. So when we say to people is Promescent a bottle of Promescent on the nightstand, Promescent wipes on the go if you really want to, but our small bottle we have a big bottle a small bottle of the regular spray the small bottle fits in the change pocket of your cheat so I'm not sure it's chapstick Exactly, exactly. I prefer and I suggest the spray but certainly we've done a buku business with the wipes and a lot of people buy both they're going to a club that evening they're going in on me they don't want to carry it so they just take the wipe with him and that's enough but if you have severe PE I would say you really want to have the spray with you. So are both effective. I'm not surprised that he liked it because we do really, really good business in the swinger network. I've been on a ton of these podcasts, you know because think about this, if you're a man and you're going to a swinger party, you probably identify very early on five or six women that you want to be intimate with. Unless you're Superman you don't I mean, you're gonna go wait a second. You know, I only have a certain amount of bullets here and I got more you know people fire at that I have bullets. I want to make sure that, you know, I can enjoy the fruits of this, you know, this event that I'm at right now. So we do very, very well in the swinger network. I'm not surprised. You know, and I tell people that sometimes they're hesitant because they'd use one or the other. Oh, I've already used one of those delay sprays it not me and I got this is different. So that's one of our messaging is this is the next reiteration. It's like saying a Ferrari is the same thing as a Ford Pinto or Ford Taurus. No, they're not. They're both cars, but one goes a lot faster, a lot more efficient than the other one. So it's very important for us to have the opportunity to be on podcasts like this, instead of just running a digital ad where people go, Oh, I've already tried one of those lidocaine based sprays, because there is a difference. And, you know, we spent a lot of money doing clinical trials, because we want people to have the confidence to look and go, Whoa, there's an actual clinical trial look at the data from this. Those are hundreds of 1000s of dollars, but they're worth it because we're legitimate about what we do the claims that we make, and we take this seriously we were founded by a you know by a urologist who you know, was really into helping people and it really into wellness. And you look on our site you see testimonials from President of the International Society of Sexual Medicine, Dr. Wayne Hellstrom, you know from Tulane, you see a testimonial from Dr. Mohit Kira, who's the president of the Sexual Medicine society in North America. People were blown away. They're like, especially other medical professionals and like, how did you get that medical advisory board? I go to be honest with you and you will laugh when they tell you this. Number one, they like us and Okay, great. But number two, they literally had so much frustration out of a man and his partner coming in and go, Oh, my man ejaculate too quickly. You know, we need longer lovemaking. And they really went well. We don't really have a lot you can numb yourself both up. And they always tell me I love your product. They go why they go I've had people that have been patients for 10 years. They come in every year frustrated. And it's like, I hate it. It's disappointing. And I go I gave your product three years ago I never heard from again and I think part of the reason they like us is we took some of the most problematic patients and they went away happy instead of coming back every year, you know, having to disappoint them. Doctors now love to do surgeries. They love brand new consultations where they get to make a $300 initial visit, but return visits when you go back to a doctor over and over again because of managed care. They get to charge you like $48 You know it doesn't cover their you know their malpractice insurance.

Leyna 26:30
Let's talk about quality, as you know, and from an Asian background, just let me tell you this thing about male virility and you probably heard of the like the rhino horns and the bear paw this and the gallbladder that and just really weird stuff, and it's amazing. The lengths people will go to the stuff they will try, if it's going to make better, right, it is amazing what's out there. So if you're gonna use something, and especially if it's going on your body, it's going to be absorbed into your body. If it's going into your body. If you're taking supplements. You better be going for the best that you can afford.

Guest 27:13
Don't go to the gas station and get the gas station or convenience shop boner pills or less. It's crazy. It's so funny because you and I think so much like I tell people all the time when I first took over this job I did a competitive landscape because we're going to run a company go who we competing. Yes. I wish I was kidding. But it was deer antler extract bull testicle derivative shark fin bear claw. I'm like, How bad is this problem where people go give me some bear claw. Maybe that'll help you really want to understand the gravity of this problem and companies recognizing how much potential there is and how widespread this is. They're doing a clinical trial right now shooting Botox into men's penises for PE I'm like what? Okay, so this shows you how severe this problem is. And this company that makes that much money goes hey, let's see if we can help in this area. That'd be a big market. Men and couples will do anything if they think it enhances their sexuality. First of all, start with the most the least invasive thing possible, and then work your way up before you take the risk of something that you know you have to ingest or something that you have to take shots. And then obviously it has, you know, massive side effects. One of the things that they use for PE prior to progressing, we're in the protocol 2200 urologist now there's 2200 urologist as mentioned as my name in their protocol for PE Believe it or not, what they used to use were the SSRIs commonly known as seratonin selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors, but to the layman, their depression drugs Paxil, Prozac, Zoloft, okay, so if you take any one of those three drugs for men, they will last longer, but here's the thing. The side effects are dry mouth, nausea, vomiting and loss of libido. Okay, I'm like wait a second. I'd rather have PE okay. I mean, I first of all, okay, so I take this and so I have no libido okay, I can last longer if I ever really had the desire to have sex and I have dry mouth nausea. I might vomit on my partner. You don't I mean, like, I'm like, Well, I think you know, that's to me. Using SSRIs for PE is like putting on a candle with a firehose, okay? It's like, that's a little bit of overkill. It's off label. Okay, so that's not what it's intended for. So doctors have a lot of liability in prescribing that and another side effect of suicidal thoughts, because people that aren't depressed aren't supposed to be taking SSRIs so that's why it's always you got to be really careful. And like we're talking about before there's a lot of these over the counter boner pills that they sell, you know, in gas stations and stuff that have been busted for putting sildenafil in the actual supposedly herbal medications. And that is so dangerous because sildenafil is a regulated drug by prescription only because it can kill you have your heart issues, okay? So you got to be really, really careful. Do your homework, make sure that whatever you're buying is manufacturing the pharmaceutical grade conditions and as clinical trials, it has medical certainty that medical professionals are telling you this is safe.



Leyna 30:23
Going back to your example from earlier, if you have a medical issue. You wouldn't just go and buy something from the gas station or something, you know, just because you heard it might work. Don't know what's in it, right. So when it comes to sex, why would you do that? Right? When it comes to sex? Why are people willing to use products that are not tested at aren't proven to really work, but yet they do.

Guest 4:21
Why is it that we'll spend 1000s of dollars a year on, you know, diets and eating right and eating organic and personal trainers and gym memberships and all these wellness issues. Then when it comes to sex, which eventually is at the end of that funnel, which a lot of people are doing everything else and spending 1000s 1000s of dollars and they go well for that I'll go buy a $5 pack of whatever that I don't know, from a convenience store or a gas station, just like you said it makes no sense. Okay, if anything, you should put the same amount of effort and time in research. And you should use the same methodology for enhancing your sex life that you use for your diet for your exercise routines for your you know, your your looks into terms of you know, cosmetics and everything else use the same amount of care and time.

Leyna 31:43
Absolutely. Besides this spray that you have. What else do you guys have? Because I saw some of it I'm sure I haven't seen all of your products. You You have a lot of stuff yes

Guest 31:54
yeah, we do. There's three I call them foundational products. And then we have a lot of complementary products. We have condoms, we have lubes and you know, that type of stuff and they're all good, but they're not something revolutionary or evolutionary. Oh my god, this is the best thing ever. But there's three foundational products that I tell people that this is why you come to the Promescent site. This is why you go wherever you buy from so the first one is to delay spray it is clearly the best in that breed. Our second product is called Vita-flux to nitric oxide supplement. And let me explain what that is. So nitric oxide supplements are very safe. In our case we have all three we have L-carnitine. L-citrulline and L-arginine, but they're also infused with magnesium and zinc which are known for promoting good sexual health. So what it does and nitric oxide supplement it promotes oxygen for blood flow. It actually has nonsexual benefits it helps you recover from working out from stress because the way that you recover when you have any kind of trauma, whether it's muscular or whatever, is by getting oxygenated rich blood into that area and that helps you recover. So it also helps you in that regard because it includes improves blood flow. If you're a man. It gives you a firmer erection if you're a woman. It gives you enhanced blood flow into your you know labia into your clitoris which increases arousal so it's good for libido as well. We have epithelial layers covering all the arteries and veins in our body and what that does, it's very supple when you're young. It allows good stuff hormones, vitamins, nutrients to get into your bloodstream. It keeps the bad stuff out viruses, bacteria, that type of stuff. As you age, the epithelial layer heart when that epithelial layer hardens, it becomes even better keeping the bad stuff out. But unfortunately it starts keeping the good stuff out. It slows hormone absorption and everything. So men and women both get a little bit less lean muscle a little more body fat because their hormones don't absorb well. And your libido goes down because your hormones that absorb well. Women also when they age they get into their mid to late 30s early 40s A lot of them lose the ability to lubricate naturally as they did when they were younger and that's because the hormones don't absorb quite well. Then when you go through the change, then it is magnified. So for a woman by softening the epithelial layer and allowing better hormone absorption, not only will you get a more youthful, you know composition, you know, a little more muscle a little less body fat, but You'll regain that ability to lubricate that you begin to lose as you age. So that's been a big seller for women but the enhanced libido as people age sometimes a libido slows down is a very good thing. And it's not a product that if you are impotent and you need Viagra that you're going to become suddenly you know some raging stallion by using Vita flux but the average man it will increase his rigidus or firmness of his erection by about 5% which for a lot of men especially as you begin to age, you know you want that vitality like you used to feel you want that libido like you used to feel. So that's been a very, very good product for us. Our third product that I call one of our foundational products is a female arousal gel. And at first I was kind of skeptical because a lot of our customers started asking me oh you need to go into female arousal gels. You know it's a big area right now. And so we did some experimentation. I was trying a bunch of different products and my girlfriend at the time was like yeah, you know, this one works really well. This one works really well. Then we came to the one we eventually settled on she goes I really like this one. I go really? She goes yet. It's not anything crazy, but it just warms the area. And she goes when I feel warm, I begin to lubricate I begin to moisturize and it just enhances my libido. And so myself and three of my main lieutenants at my company, we had all tried it out and we all got the same feedback from our partners like I really liked this one. So we launched it, and it took off immediately and it really solidified our standing and our growth in the female part of our business. And there's a swingers podcast called Two Wild Orchids. And it's so funny because I've done their podcast I think four times now so must be the second or third time I was doing it and one of the gals says to me, we're sitting there you know, having this you know podcast and I can see them just like I can see you right now from the waist up. And she says Guess what I'm wearing? She goes I'm wearing your female arousal gel. I'm like what?
I discovered that in the morning, I just put a little bit on and she goes, I just feel like just sensuous and I just feel like turned on all day. She goes sometimes at lunch, she goes I go in for another dab and it goes by time I get home. I feel like I've had eight hours of foreplay and I'm really ready to go. And I was like, oh my god about that. It's so crazy. And we've had other women tell us that you know, I don't use it just for sex. I just love feeling sensual. I love feeling aroused. I love the feeling of like, I'm just feeling sexual, even if I know I'm not going to see my partner for another eight or 10 hours. I love the idea of just feeling vibrant and sexual, you know, and it really hit home when some women actually told me I like wearing it during the day because let's face it when you feel sensual and you feel sexual and you feel desired you're a better mother, you're a better father, you're a better brother, you're a better Sister, you're a better Boss, you're a better employee, because that confidence and that the way that you radiate, it's just it's contagious. And I believe that that's what you know, a lot of men will say, you know when I'm not relationship, I can't buy a date. You know what I mean? But when I'm in a good relationship, everyone wants to be around me and I go to them I go think about that. You know why that is? Because you have the confidence and you feel good about yourself because you're feeling desired and wanted and you're feeling sexual and people go I want a piece of whatever that is because they feel that positive vibe. And when you aren't in a relationship, feeling non desire and unloved you have an air of desperation. Your people out because you have this negative feeling. So it's not the idea that well I'm in a relationship so people want me it's not that at all. They want a part of that aura that you're projecting. You don't mean they want a part of that confidence that they feel. And that's the same thing that I think that female arousal gel gives a lot of women is during the day they feel sexual, they feel sensual, they it kind of sets that tone.

Leyna 38:30
Yeah, cuz you exude it. Exactly. You know, when you're talking about the Vitaflux, right? Yes. So I was telling my husband about this. So he goes I know the guy who invented that I'm like, the guy who invented what nitric whatever what he would do

Guest 38:48
Oxide. Yes, this is a nitric oxide supplement, but that one only had two amino acids. This one has three plus, zinc and magnesium. This one's specifically formulated for sex as well as wellness. The one. This is a derivative of that product.


Leyna 39:03
Interesting. 

Guest 39:05
How old is your husband?

Leyna 39:07
Oh, he's 49 

Guest 39:08
You should definitely give him a bottle by the flood. Yeah,

Leyna 39:09
he's gonna try it. 

Guest 39:10
Okay, good. Good. Because if nothing else, he's very into health

Guest 39:14
That has benefits far beyond sexual. I mean, it really does. I mean, if he works out if he's, you know, ever stressed out, you know, that kind of stuff and like I said, if nothing else, it helps soften that epithelial layer which will aid in hormone absorption because as you age, unless you're one of these freaks and natures everyone has a couple friends. You're like, I don't know what that guy's on okay, but certain people just have good genetics and good chemistry, you know, that kind of thing. But the average person really after age 40. Every male loses a half percent of lean muscle tissue and gains a half a percent of body fat. If you do everything exactly the same. That's inevitable that will happen. That's why they say you got to work twice as hard to be in half as good a shape once you get over 50.

Leyna 39:58
The other thing is and tell me if you think I'm right. If you're having sex, and you're enjoying it when you enjoy your sex life, it affects everything else in your life.

Guest 40:11
Everything. Yeah, I don't think there's anything else universally. That really is a key to whether a person is happy or unhappy than their sex life.

Leyna 40:21
My thanks to Jeff for sharing his awesome products with our listeners an update now on our testing, Mike and Wendy report. They're especially happy with the female arousal gel. Wendy had been having some issues with libido and now she's as they say, Happy as a clam. Alright, next time on consenting adults, unsatisfactory intercourse leads to a total lifestyle change.

Guest 40:49
When we had penis in vagina sex. It just didn't do it for me. It just didn't. And we had tried different positions. We had tried different things. We both ended up getting frustrated then again, we weren't communicating. So it just was a slippery slope going down a bad path.

Leyna 41:06
So not not the good slippery slope. Not at all. We take a deep dive into the differences between FLR femme DOM and cuckolding. That's next time on consenting adults.