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Part 2 of our interview with Adam and Belle, a married couple who left the Mormon church behind for a sexier and more pleasure-filled lifestyle. Belle talks about penis size and talks about DP, squirting, and their blanket hall pass.
EP 27 – Naughty Mormons Part Two
Leyna:Welcome back to the show, everyone, for the first time in the history of consenting adults we have a two parter. This is the continuation of our conversation with Adam and Belle. This is episode 27 If you haven't listened to Episode 26 yet, please go back and do that so that you kind of know where they were, and oh my goodness, where they've come. This is a couple who grew up in a very religious Mormon community where you're supposed to wait until marriage to have sex, and then you're supposed to only have sex with your spouse in your heterosexual marriage. Well, not only have Adam and Belle kind of strayed from that, but they went from, for instance, Adam, not masturbating, growing up because he was taught that was bad to becoming Swingers, and not just having sex with other people, but having the kind of sex that a lot of people only see in porn.
He came, and you came. We came at the same time at the same time, I did not come. Wow, but he was pretty much like I came. Can I use a shower, and I've gotten. We had decided that we would play as a six so we'd start off with the girls playing together. And in my mind I was thinking this is just gonna be a show for the guys, it's not gonna turn me on. I'm not, I'm not super bisexual, but I have to say those two ladies are just smoke shows they're so hot. I was so blown away by how turned on I was just having all the guys with their cameras taking pictures of us as we played and made out with each other and I mean I just really, if it was so much better than I had ever imagined it was gonna be. He put me at ease about body fluid issues happening, because I would say that most of the time for me if I'm not going to orgasm, it's because I'm worried that I might squirt. Well you squirter. I'm not typically a squirter but definitely when I have sex with a toy and penal penetration at the same time, I, that can definitely make me squirt. And up to this point, Adam had made me squirm, maybe once, And I freaked out. So let's get to it.
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Guest: So he was in first and then Adam knelt between his legs and entered me from behind, and he had to go really really super slow, because I mean I'm already full at this point. He's, he's just basically trying to find any empty space. And it wasn't without it pain, it was, there was some painful moment, and I was like, Okay, this is this not gonna work, but he was like cooing in my ear, He's like, relax, relax was to feel it. And so I tried to relax enough to just, you know, open myself up to it and, and it worked out and I him, he came, and you came. We came at the same time at the same time, I did not come. Wow, but he was pretty much like I came. Can I use a shower, and I've gotten. And you're fine with that. Right, right. He made it really clear where his boundaries were and what he is, you know part in this from the beginning. And so I expected that and I was totally okay with it, I'm like, alright, that's fine. And then, Adam and I just, you know snuggled with each other on the bed for a while and talked about what happened I think we recorded it actually, here we did, and that was,
Leyna: you recorded it?
Guest: and that's actually how our podcast started yet we record the audio, we recorded all of our experiences and how we felt.
Leyna: What, oh you need to record the conversation. Yeah, yeah. Okay,
Guest: well we had thought about actually video recording. Oh yeah, no, we didn't, we didn't video the ad, right. Yeah, no, I wish we would have, but
Right, well that was our first experience so we weren't prepared to go all in with, you know, a digital record.
Leyna: Oh, I'd say you went all in. So, but you didn't orgasm belle,
Guest: no, no, and I'm okay with that, um, I was a little bit disappointed but at this point, I was kind of in my head about different things about my body that I wasn't happy with at that time because you know as I said I had kids and you know I was a little bit insecure, not having had sex with anybody besides Adam, for, you know, the past 15 years at that point. And so for me it was just a worry about being rejected. And so I was just in my head and I was unable to get there, to achieve the climax, I mean it felt really good. It was really hot, completely turned me on. But no, I just, I just didn't know how to get there. Yeah.
Leyna: Adam, can you talk to me about just your experience through it I mean this is the first time you've seen your web for someone else was, wasn't there any twinge of jealousy as you're watching her, you know, go down on him or watching her actually having sex with another man,
Guest: no there, there wasn't jealousy, we mentioned the concern when he was rubbing up against her without a condom. That was the point where I was concerned the most. One of the things that kind of put me at ease, was his almost professionalism. We hate using that word because that's not what it was but experience is experience in the lifestyle where he's like, look, I'm, I'm not in this to make friends and go out to dinner and have an ongoing thing, this is fine and when we're done, I'm going to leave. So there wasn't that worry of, oh my god is she going to develop feelings for him is there going to be an emotional attachment, because that's really what most men fear, and you have those fears too. Yeah, of course I I've since had those fears and the lifestyle, but not it, not at that moment now with the first threesome. He was a safe option.
Leyna: Well and you know there are a lot of couples who decide to bring in only sex workers, because there is that boundary, right there, it's never going to be any emotions or feelings because this is like a business contract right, like, you're gonna come in, get us off and you're gonna leave, and that's what you're paying for you’re paying for them to leave. Alright, so this is your first experience. Wow. How long until your next one.
Guest: It wasn't that was, I want to say that was in September and by the beginning of November we were having our first swap. Yeah, cool. And that one. I did come in that one. You know we went out with them and got to know them for the period of a dinner first. And we had a lot of conversation online. Leading up to the date they were also a very safe choice, their professions were such that we were like okay, these guys are definitely not in this to get outed, and it was their first one too, right, and it was their first off as well. We had a lot of fun with them. That situation put me at ease because there was some body fluid things go on and he was like, so sensitive, is that the expression I'm looking for. He was just he put me at ease about body fluid issues happening, because I would say that most of the time for me if I'm not going to orgasm, it's because I'm worried that I might squirt.
Leyna: Oh, are you a squirter?
Guest: I'm not typically a squirter but definitely when I have sex with a toy and penal penetration at the same time, I, that can definitely make me squirt. And up to this point, Adam had made me squirt, maybe once, and I freaked out. Oh my god, I just peed myself. And he's like, it's not pee I'm like yes it's be. I really just could not wrap my mind around it that it was anything other than something gross. And so I don't still to this day, I have to be really in the mindset to squirt and enjoy it because I just, it's just not something that turned me
on. This couple was, they both had very good jobs with a lot to lose. So there's discretion there. Right.
Leyna: What are very good jobs, can you tell me without I mean, you know,
Guest: federal government jobs,
Leyna: so So you knew that they had a lot to lose as well so discretion was there.
Guest: Yeah, absolutely. So it kind of puts you at ease right there, there's not going to be any outing, they're not out to get us as well. They were professional they didn't seem shady at all.
Leyna: So I'm imagining if I'm at home and I'm listening to this, okay and I knew my first concern would be, what if someone finds out. Adam is there any concern with your job.
Guest: No, no,
Leyna: I because I Okay, I had a friend whose wife was a flight attendant and the stories that she would tell, there's always something going on with you know the pilot and he's always buying the flight attendants dinner and they're always, you know, mixing it up, even though they're married. So, there seem it seems like there's sometimes a very sexual energy that's going on with your job.
Guest: Yeah, When I when I went 15 years of our marriage with this sexual energy with Belle, without ever cheating, cheating on her, and there were there's always, there's plenty of opportunity. It's just a decision I made because of my straight-laced background, I never even thought about it, and now she's encouraging me while I'm at work just like luck if you have that opportunity. Take it. And I, I still have problems, even though we're in this swinging lifestyle. I still have problems saying, Okay, I'm just gonna go play alone. Yeah.
Leyna: what is your agreement now.
Guest: Well, so he has a blanket hall pass. It's basically a standard standing offer to play with, with a person if he wants to the rule just simply is that he lets me know so I restore after first beforehand. And then we basically have veto power. With who each other plays with like a fate. I don't like someone, I think that we're usually better are kinder to people that we want to play with individually, and our partners are a little bit harder on making that choice so I think it's good to have somebody kind of vet your candidate to say, ah, because, I mean I could be completely blind to the whole situation because the guy's hot. He's tall. So I just push on like this is what I'm going to do, and Adam has to be that balance that that just says, You know what, this guy seems like trouble. And I have to be that for him where I say, No, this one seems like drama, let's not do that,
it could be a flight attendant that I just really want to have sex with. And she can say, You know what, no, she you fly with her all the time. It works for the same company. So, yeah, this isn't a good idea, pass on this.
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Guest: I would say that that was probably more of our beginning swing lifestyle how what our position was since we were down to fuck who's DTF. and we've become more evolved swingers into more of a social preference so we prefer to actually get to know people. And, you know, have it just be completely about sex, it's led to more meaningful, more fun, really hot, play sessions that have just been really mind blowing.
It was a change that happened at the end of last year where we went out to Portland, Oregon, and had a big birthday party with a whole bunch of people that we had been talking to for months and establish those relationships, and we just found that the sex was better, is more fun, it was so comfortable as hotter is more comfortable with people that we considered friends, and that we knew their background, we were friends on Facebook or Instagram, and followed them, it, It just works better for us, rather than the DTF just down to fuck. We were feeling a little bit shallow, after the one off DTF. Well, we start to feel used
Leyna: well in two years is not a long time to be in the lifestyle right I mean I've been in it 25 years or longer. And in those two years can you kind of just list all the things that you've been able to cross off your, do not do if you're a Mormon list.
Guest: Yeah, we have a philosophy that we’ll try anything twice in the lifestyle. Not twice because the first time might just be that really nasty house party that we went to the first time. Yeah, so we'll try anything twice, we have -- belle has played solo twice. I've played solo once we have done the MFM we've done orgies two on two dates, we've done a few orgies, we have not done a female, male, female threesome, yet,
Not yet we have done DP at a house party. I mean,
Leyna: was it everything you thought it would be.
Guest: I'm gonna have to say that fantasy wise it didn't quite pan out as far as what you fantasize that it's going to be just because there's just so many variables, I mean it's really never going to, it's probably going to be less perfect than perfect, Just because I have a really good imagination. I imagined everything perfectly. And so, in real life, there can be a lot of moments where you set yourself up to be kind of disappointed or just like that wasn't really what I thought it was gonna be. And then sometimes it's really blows your mind, that's like wow I I really never thought that it could be that awesome.
Leyna: Give me one of those
Guest: well so we in Episode 13 I want to say we go to Las Vegas with two of the couples from the Portland trip that are also ex Mo's or ex Mormons, so we had, we had a lot in common with them just right off the bat, which is awesome. It's awesome to have other people who are raised with the same background who get it, who understand you, and you can have a really freakin awesome sex. But we had decided that we would play as a sixth, we'd start off with the girls playing together. And in my mind I was thinking this is just gonna be a show for the guys, it's not going to turn me on. I'm not I'm not super bisexual, but I have to say those two ladies are just smoke shows they are so hot. I was so blown away by how turned on I was just having all the guys that their cameras taking pictures of us as we played and made out with each other and I mean I just really. It was so much better than I had ever imagined who was going to be. You just, there's so many different combinations. When, because everyone was so comfortable with each other, we were really free to just move around and swap partners or girl a girl, or, you know, to be alone with her. Yeah, it was, there was just lots of different combinations and then to make it even better. We were on a two night, overnight, second night we met up with one of the couples, again, and, and had another experience and that just upped the ante again it was so hot, it's just so just mind-blowing kind of sex that you just really can't imagine yourself ever having to Wow.
Leyna: Is there anything, still on your list that you haven't done yet.
Guest: Um, for me, it would be a adults lifestyle trip where you go with friends or you just go somewhere where you don't know anyone like desire or temptations or a cruise, and just be naked out in public. That's like my, something that I really want to do and I also would like to do a girls trip where just the ladies travel and you do, you know, video and FaceTime or zoom or whatever just to teach the guys that call. And, you know, it's just different, just different things even though I'm not super bisexual. I have met ladies who I consider really amazing human beings that I'm attracted to because they are amazing humans and not because they're women. But I just think that that would be a really hot scenario to, you know, to be at so I like to try and chase. I still want that FMS female, male, female,
yeah, experience there is one other thing on the list that I, I want, but it's not for me, it's something I want to see happen with Adam, but it's not my it's his body and his choice so. Oh, what is the, oh, I don't know, I've just always like in my mind fantasized about him having bisexual play. And, and that's just been in my mind, but it's not my body, so I'm not going to, I'm not going to be the torchbearer on that one. I feel about that.
I don't know. I am. I'm not homophobic at all. So, a lot of men have almost a fear of touching or incidental contact or getting too close. I don't have that I'm comfortable being around other men in close proximity, I mean, our first experience we did DVP, right, that was inside of her with another man. I'm not not homophobic at all. So I can't say that that is something that is on my list of things to do. It's something that, if it happened, you're not going to look for it. I'm not going to look for it but I may not turn it down in the moment, if that makes it Why haven't you done the FMF circumstance,
yeah. Okay, It's actually harder to find a single female that we want to play with that it is for us to find a single male that we want to play with because the single males just like shake the trees and they just fall out. But the
key when it comes to women, because, so by Yeah, I think that Belle is She's my 10. And so, going to parties and everything, I always feel like I'm, I'm bringing the 10 to the party with her, right, and that, I mean it doesn't sound good, but
Leyna: I know what you're talking about. So you just made you feel like you've got that now you've got to bring another woman in, she's got to measure up somehow, and it's hard for you to find someone who will.
Guest: Yeah, so I'm actually pretty picky. That's.
Leyna: Let's just, let's go back to what we were talking about size. Okay, because everyone always joking about it. I have actually found that too big, is a problem,
Guest: I will agree with you 100% I thought going into this that I was looking for Monster Cocks, and that was what was going to be satisfying because pornography is filled with big dicked men who you know are portrayed to be satisfying women and so I think that just in your head, you probably grow up thinking if you if you look at porn that big dick is more satisfying. I've actually found that average sized penises are my preference, but it's actually the erection quality that I like, I need somebody who is has a really hard, stiff erection, as opposed to size because I've, I have found that with a larger penis as they can almost be, well, uncomfortable, but not hard enough, and I don't know if it's like a, maybe it's a blood flow thing I'm not a doctor, so I don't know what that phenomena would be, maybe it's set, they're not completely turned on. I don't know, but in my experience, too big is not necessarily the best, and obviously too small, as you know you can find something to do with any size, I happen to be playing with a bow
actually some back issues. So, really. Yeah, a really big dick, it can break things a little bit, it can make her not be able to walk for a couple of days,
right, because we get the upper back, my back. Yeah, yeah, we actually just played with a couple, and he has very generous appendage, and, and I was limping around for days, I just had back shots, like the really deep surgical back shots to to fix my back after that one. But I would say he had the perfect penis size he was not necessarily super girthy but he was, it was long and the quality of erection was really pleasing, and he kind of had a way where hook to his tip. Yeah, I was just like this is, this is the perfect one right here, let's catch to this and make a toy out of it.
Leyna: Can you each give me your list of what turns you on, in a man or woman, like what's important to you, especially when you're talking about someone you will have sex with. Guest: Do you want to go. Do you want me to,
I'll start. So for me, I have to have some attractiveness to the other person. I'm not a woman who needs a full head of hair, or a perfectly toned body it's certainly helpful for the visuals, but I need somebody who makes me feel desired. I'm a sapio sexual, I want to be talked to and wooed, but also like I said words turn me on. So if you can, dirty talk, that's, you know, just so it doesn't necessarily have to be that you've got a impressive sized penis or an amazing body, but how you approach me being dominant works wonders for me I just, I don't know for me it's kind of funny because being raised in a culture where it's very male dominated dominated you would think that leaving that I would kind of Shun, a man dominating me, but it's actually the opposite. I actually really appreciate a dominant male. I appreciate somebody who just is stronger and taller and broad and that's, that's just the kind of stuff that that ropes me in immediately,
Leyna: like the like the caveman, you're like, you man me woman.
Guest: But say something intelligent.
Guest: initial attraction. I'm really attracted to athletic bodies, so not not necessarily skinny, there's, there's such thing as too skinny. I like an athletic body, but more than that, your personality, right if you're super hot, but have a, I don't know just kind of itchy personality. It's, you can lose me many of them do, many of them do, you can lose me in a heartbeat. I like somebody that is easy going, and can hold a conversation, smiles in is just personable, that words can get you everywhere with me,
you actually like somebody who will initiate with you to same with me. We like people who will take the initiative. Yes, be assertive, and you really like an assertive female.
Leyna: All right, so you're documenting your journey where can people find you guys.
Guest: Well our podcast is swinging outside the lines, and you can find us on whatever podcast catcher that you happen to use, and our website is swinging outside the lines.com Is this something that you're in for good now, like will you be doing this for the rest of your life. We actually had this conversation while we were under the stay at home order with COVID because we were not a couple who fights a whole lot. And man we fought like cats and dogs, the whole time, to the point where we pondered stopping the podcast and exiting the lifestyle completely as a, you know, means to reconnect with each other and kind of reconsider what our priorities are, but through that conversation we both decided that this was a lifestyle that just it just embraces who we are as you know as people and as lovers and, and it's the direction that we would like to go we would like to further the cause of of ethical non monogamy and, you know let other people know that you can live this incredible lifestyle and find acceptance with like minded people that are out there.
Yeah, our relationship comes first so we'll do it as long as our relationship is the first priority. When our relationship is strained. With the lifestyle is the first thing to go. And I think couples need that occasionally couples need to take a break and kind of reconnect, every once in a while just to keep their relationship strong balance.
Leyna: Adam and Belle thanks so much for sharing your story with us and wishing you lots of love and lube, as you move forward in this lifestyle. Coming up next time on Consenting Adults, a men's coach and author talks about how to be in a relationship, successfully with a strong woman. That's right up my alley. but this episode ended up a lot more personal than I had planned. I'm now on my second marriage, and it is so incredibly. It's amazing. Like I feel like a teenager when we're together, people like, oh my god, the way he looks at you, and I guess sometimes I don't see it, But other people see what what's really awesome is that I feel like everything's gonna be okay. And I know that I don't know maybe that sounds corny but I'm really like nothing's happened. He hasn't had to rescue me from anything. That's next time on Consenting Adults.
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