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Just because you like something some of the time doesn't mean you want it all of the time. And sometimes the thing that you want doesn't "fit" into the mold others have made. "MC" talks about how not being able to satisfy his wife led them to cuckolding but he also has interest in sleeping with other women. MC is on Twitter @PoorLittleWhit1
I think she climaxed he reached up he says hey, touch my hand and I was like, what?
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The conversations you're about to hear are intended for mature audiences. Listener discretion is advised. So dirty talk? So sex talk. Yeah, it started off as dirty talk. I was actually like very excited to see my partner with somebody else. She looked at me and said, so you want to have sex with other people.And you find it a turn on to hear about what he did. Yeah. And then it's like, I want to come home and get it the way she got it. Does he know you have a boyfriend? Yes. This is Consenting Adults with Leyna Nguyen
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My guest is a 46 year old lawyer married for 24 years living there in the big state of Texas. He tells me that both he and his wife were very religious when they married which might explain why they were both virgins when they married and then something happened because last year they got into the lifestyle MC thanks for coming on the show and talking about your experience. Are you Catholic? Christian? What religion are we talking about here?
So I grew up pretty hardcore Southern Baptists. Oh, okay. Yeah.
So you were both virgins. Yeah, that's
Uh, you know, it's it's important, you know, be virgins when you're married and all that stuff.
Right? Yeah, very, very important. How was the sex
Wedding night was not that great.
Which, by the way, is pretty normal for even you know, people who have had sex before they get married. But why wasn't it great?
I kind of didn't know what I was doing and you get the uncomfortability of the whole you know, losing the virginity and all that. So it's kind of a little bit messy. Little quick, a little, you know, I had come from this environment where it was hyped up as like, oh, you know, your wedding night for you know, you've saved it. You saved your virginity for that wedding night. It's gonna be awesome, awesome.
And it fizzled. A little bit to get the hang of it. Did you guys like was sex eventually good.
It took some time. And we eventually developed like a sex life that was you know, we kind of have to kind of learn each other's bodies a little bit and what what works and what feels good and what doesn't. In that process. I was convinced that basically there was some kind of a kink or something that I needed to get her into, to, like kind of make her feel comfortable with the whole sex thing and everything. So I, you know, I went through the like, go buy the blindfold, you know, from the adult shop or whatever. Get that once I bought this underwear. Basically, it's like a G string for men, but it was a bull the head of a bull in like a little you know, so your your pouch is where?
Oh, wait a second. You thought that would be sexy? Because I've seen the elephant ones. They're not sexy. They're kind of funny.
Well, I don't know. You know, I
just tried being fun. Right? You know, how are you trying whatever just to make it more fun. What was it about your wife in the bedroom that made you think you needed a little more kink? I mean, were you guys just having like, vanilla missionary style sex? Was it not very adventurous.
I know. She wasn't like having a lot of orgasms. Just honestly and
hold on a second. I've got to ask you this question. Yes. So if she wasn't having a lot of orgasms, why did you feel that that she needed more kink rather than you needed to up your game?
That’s a good question. That
Yeah, that's a very good question. Hello. MC.
Well, so Your honor, I rest my case.
In my defense, I'm okay. You know, the the background and the upbringing that I had, there was, you know, there's not a lot of information, understanding, right. So, you know, it was kind of like I had the, you know, sort of the church teachings of, hey, you know, get married. It's gonna be fine. And they'll figure it out. Right, you know, so it was like, I had that on one side. And then the only other thing I knew to compare it with was, you know, porno videos I'd seen
Ah, were you watching like, just regular porn? Yeah. Or was it really kinky, weird stuff? Oh,
It was mostly just regular stuff. I remember one time I kind of rented like, uh, you know, sort of the spanking and kind of showed it to her. I was like, well, maybe that's what she would be into. And it wasn't it, but
She wasn't a lot of orgasms and you figured spanking was what you needed. Right?
You know, I'll just I've kind of thrown in there. Yeah. Something might stick right?
Okay. Did anything ever stick? I mean, you guys have been married for 24 years.
Two things. One time I went to an adult store talking to the guy behind the counter and he says you need this Hitachi magic wand, which I don't know if you're familiar with but
I've had guests talk about it. Yes. It's
If you know a woman that's not orgasmic, get that I think that sort of let her regularly orgasm helped her out a lot. And then, you know, I got to where I could stimulate orally performed pretty well. So it was just kind of a trial and error thing. So but eventually she
learned to have more orgasms and enjoy sex more. Yeah. You're very excited about that. Right. Okay, but how about you? How was sex for you?
Guys would always think sex is about sex is about cumming sorry about the dog. And so you always think that's what's you know the thing and then you get to sex and you're expecting you know, you've seen these porn videos and the lady's all moaning in blah, blah, blah. And you're like, you know, you get in and you kind of get used to us and you get to a good move. And then it's like, you're done. I knew there was like, I felt like there was more to it than just, you know, Tab A into slot B thrust for a while and, and get to orgasm. So, you know, kind of where we eventually got to is like a very, you know, comfortable pleasurable, yet I was sure that there was kind of more out there. And so that was sort of where we were for probably 15, 20 years, you know,
Wow. So for 15 to 20 years. It was better than like, wedding night, sex. Right? But still, kind of just vanilla tame. Nothing wild. Right? Exactly. Yeah. Nothing to blow your mind. It was just sex.
Yeah, yeah, it was sex and it was kind of, you know, we worked it in when we could fit it in and then that kind of thing.
Yeah. Welcome to adulthood and parenthood and all that right, right. How was the communication between you and your wife in this whole journey? Like, was she helping to or was she just kind of, okay, you find something? I'll try it.
I think we were both dealing with a lot of the kind of repression of what what are we supposed to be about, you know, how is how is sex supposed to be what's a good girl supposed to do in the bedroom? Oh, no, he's a good girl supposed to say hey, you know, that's not really doing it for me, or is he just supposed to kind of do her her duty to satisfy the man or whatever. So we worked through a lot of that. And, you know, I knew that there was sometimes it's just timing. Pretty much a guy I think we could just say, you know, you can say hey, meet me in the bedroom in five minutes. I'll be ready. Whereas a lot with a woman is you know, sort of getting the setting getting the being able to relax and not be thinking about my boss is probably going to call me tomorrow about this thing.
You should not be thinking about your boss during sex for sure. But what you're talking about, we talked about extensively, in Episode 83, about being better in bed. There's that arousal gap, where men are more like Tesla's like you're ready to go. And women is like, you know, one of those old fashioned cars where you kind of need some time to warm her up. Yeah, yeah, right. And then because there's an arousal gap, there's also an orgasm gap. Yes, very often, for whatever reason, people especially men, kind of have an issue, admitting that they may need a little help in the bedroom, to perform better to somehow close that gap. And I truly believe that most men do want to please their partners, right? Most men are not selfish. They want to please their partners and it satisfies them more to be able to please their partners. So MC you got to go back and listen to episode 83. Okay, you've been in the lifestyle how long?
Just about three months? Or four months, I guess.
Whoa. Oh, really? Well, this is gonna be really interesting because I'm gonna have to have you back on and see how you you guys progressed.
Here's here's the way it sort of came about. I wasn't aware of sort of the you know, hotwife, cuckold and kind of life that we were doing. But I had brought up the you know, the swinging hey there’s npeople to do this swinging thing and it always sounded a little bit. I'm gonna say ooky ooky to us, just because it kind of yucky kind. Of
Yucky, gross up, okay?
Because, you know, because there's that app that like, hey, I'll let you fuck my wife if you let me fuck your wife, you know, felt a little sort of transaction. Now I will say one time, probably about 10 years. ago, we were in Cancun in the pool. And she made out with this girl that was like, it was just super sexy.
Oh, is your wife bisexual?
Yeah, I mean, she would say she's bi situational. Right?
Okay, a lot of women say that. Did you know this about your wife?
I had, you know, because it's we're talking about things that turned us on and everything she had mentioned to me there was kind of a girl she sort of had a crush on at one point. And so I knew it was a kind of one of those bubbling below the surface kind of things.
I see. So you're in Cancun, you're on vacation she's making out with another woman in the pool that turns you on?
Yes. Yeah, there's, if you were to rate all the erections I've ever had, that would be probably one of the hardest, I guess.
So, like 20 On a scale a 10? Yes. On the erection scale, right? Yes. Okay. Okay. Wow. And, like Did anything happen other than just kind of making out of the pool?
The two girls went back to their room. Oh, they did some stuff and I haven't Oh,
No, no, no. Were you allowed to follow them?
So this was okay. So and there was a guy, the husband of the other girl. And, you know, he was charitably not attractive. He basically the nice way to say it is he wasn't actractive, right. And she was, oh, yeah, his wife was very attractive. So basically the the girls went up to the room, and I think the idea was that he and I would have a drink or something and then kind of catch up with them later. He was really when my thought was, I'm not going to A. ask or B. allow my wife to have sex with this guy. Because because you didn't find them attractive. Yeah, reading her body language. I was pretty sure she wasn't interested in him.
Okay, so anyways, but so what happened Did you go up there? Yeah, we
Went up there and kind of, we sort of caught the tail end of them in bed together, moaning and that kind of…
No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Okay. So you go up to the room, right? What did you say?
They were sort of laying in bed and cuddling, hugging. That kind of thing together.
Wait, you caught them cuddling?
But I mean it was like an after sexual cuddling like that, you know the
They I think they were laying and they were laying in the afterglow
excellently put Yes, exactly. Yeah. Oh.
Oh, so you missed all the good stuff. I did. Oh, man. Okay. And so then nothing happened. That was that. But did you talk about it later? We did. And
Like we both agreed it was super sexy. But it wasn't something she was interested in, you know, kind of going and pursuing or anything like that. Oh, and I think there was a lot of, you know, well, I was in Cancun, and I was drunk, and that happened but that's not really you know, maybe like, I'm speaking for her here. But I think it was maybe a you know, quote unquote, that's not who I am or,
but then did you think maybe perhaps, because of that religious upbringing, that maybe she felt it was wrong, right. Yeah, we dealt with and didn't want to admit that she was sexually attracted to other women. Oh, for sure. Yeah. So that was about 10 years ago. How long did you guys wait until the next sexy, crazy wild thing happened
To last year? Yeah.
So you waited another 10 years. What brought it on the second time? Like Did anything happen?
There was it was a series of events one is it really enjoyed the kind of the the cuckolding hot wife pornography, but I'm sitting there watching it and my thought was this is stuff they do in Los Angeles in the valley to get guys off. I was like, that's not really a thing for you know, women. That's not what women want. That's what I was. I was convinced right in my head. And one day I'm searching I'm like, you know, I really like this cuckolding stuff. I wonder if there's any podcasts about it. So I found a few podcasts. And I started listening and there was women that were talking about this lifestyle and that they enjoyed it, listen to a few more tried to get an idea. And I was like, I wonder if I could share with my wife and say, you know, hey, this is this is this thing that really turns me on. Here's a podcast, there's a woman talking about it and what she enjoys about it. You know, she was like, Oh, that's interesting. And so I sent her a few more podcasts and we kind of talked about it. So this was kind of over the summer of last year. And maybe a month or two later. She said yeah, you know what, I think I'm gonna try it. And, you know, I put something up on Twitter. And the first guy we talked to, actually was from out of the country, but we did sort of some texting
who chose him. Uh, who was more interested in him. Well, you or the wife?
So she was so it was basically the way it worked was I'm the one that's on naughty Twitter. She's not on naughty, right. So he had you know, kind of replied to me and I you know, said hey, here's this guy. He wants to, you know, kind of text with us and roleplay and see how it goes.
So you presented him to your wife, but wasn't your wife saying okay, that that guy looks good.
I mean, after I presented him to her, she said that? Yes.
Okay. But you thought he looked good. Yeah. And what were you able to see about what about him was that made him the one
He was a handsome black gentleman, and that was kind of kind of the fantasy that I had.
Okay, so So part of your fantasy is also that that she's with a black bull.
Yes. That's uncomfortable for somebody like me to say almost why. I always want to treat somebody as a person rather than as simply a race. But at the same time, I find
You can't deny you can't deny that. Him being black is part of the attraction. Yeah. And you somehow feel badly. That race is playing some kind of rolling Yeah,
exactly. It's like, oh my gosh, am I racist? Because I like this. And, you know, that's one of the worst things you can be now. So it's like,
I totally get that. Like, you're one of those people. You're just a lot of morality battles within you all the time. Right. So, okay. And I know that there are actually a small number of people and I've seen them on Twitter. who get very offended by the whole queen of spades thing. They're very offended by it. And then I think there are a larger group of black men who, hey, yeah, they want me right. They don't take it at all the way the way you're afraid. They may. So okay, so it was this black guy who you thought was attractive? How did you know though that your wife would also be on board with it? How did how would she feel about being with a black man?
We didn't really talk about, you know, specifically a race thing. It was like, you know, this guy kind of reached out and sent some pictures on the Twitter he was hands on when I said, Hey, would you want to text with this guy and try it out? We did. Yeah.
Did you ever meet up with him?
So you know, it turned out that he was from out of the country. So there was a racy exchange of texts. You know, I remember one evening, you know, we're kind of like sitting on the couch watching television and she excused herself to the bedroom. And next thing I know, she's
Hitachi one comes out.
Yes. All those things. Uh huh. And basically, the spell was sort of broken when he you know, he was like, Yeah, I'm in overseas and I, you know, to be able to actually meet with you and she was very disappointed.
Sure. Well, that kind of sucks. Yeah, a lot of build up a lot of build up kind of like that wedding night sex a lot of build up letdown. Right? Right. Right. So did you eventually find somebody
We did? I think you may have interviewed cuckold Scarlett before. Yes. She's wonderful. Right? And I had reached out to her. You know, it finally said, Hey, we're kind of getting to that point. And she recommended someone.
Yes, I hear that. A lot of people in that lifestyle. will recommend good bulls. Yes. Yeah. Because it's important to have someone who knows what they're doing. Right. Especially when you're so new. Yes. So there's like this referral system?
Yeah. Yeah. It's like life reputation is very important.
Sure. All right. So you met up with this bull. And
you know, we don't want to just meet up in a hotel room and have that awkward like, Oh, I'm supposed to have sex with you thing. So we're gonna like, let's meet up. Let's go, you know, have some drinks some dancing, kind of see how things go? And he was like, You know what, I'm going to be pretty close to there. If y'all want to ride to the nightclub together.
Did you ever make it to the nightclub?
We did. Okay, but there was some backseat activity before we got there. Sure, and it seemed like very shortly after we got out of the parking lot. There was stuff going on in the backseat.
Well, did you turn around and wait, were you driving? I was driving. Wow. That's distracting? Yeah. Did you were you still in looks what was going on back there.
So I was trying to pay attention to the road. But I was listening very closely to what was going on. And, you know, from what I could tell, I think she had gone down on him was giving him more oral. And it really sounded like he got to the climax. And I think he came in her mouth. And then he was touching your pussy and stuff. And I think she climax in he reached up. He says, Hey, touch my hand. And I was like, what? You know, so I was like, Well, okay, I mean, it's just the hand. Okay, so I reached over, and his hand was soaking wet. And he said, See, I wanted you to see how wet she is
and what did that do for you?
Um, yeah, I was, you know, straight up and down hard as a rock. Pre cum, just, yeah, but my pants were a mess.
Wow. And you still went to the nightclub?
We did! Yeah, that was part of the plan. Okay, well, so we went to the nightclub and it was actually like we hit on just the right night. They had a really fun band. I told them to go dance. I said you guys go dance. You know that I ended up going out and dancing with them did that for a while had our fill of it. I'm talking with him and her. I'm like, Well, so what do we want to do next? And she says, I think we should get a hotel.
Oh. And you said
And I said, you know basically, about the time hotel came out of her mouth. I was on the phone you know, making a reservation somewhere yeah, yeah. Right. You got upstairs to the room and I thought you know I should probably go get them some like ice and drinks and whatever.
Wow, you're just like slipping into this cuck roll really nicely, right. I think I was getting you're gonna be helpful.
Yeah, yeah. Exactly. Okay. All right.
So you know, I walked down the hall, get the ice come back and there's two naked people. You know, hugging and kissing and just in the middle of getting getting down. Right.
So what did you do?
So I, you know, set the ice. I think I made them a cup of water and ice and everything. Set those down and I went over to the chair in the corner. And
uh, you knew your place it you're gonna sit in that chair in that corner.
Now, I did get out of the corner a little bit when she was he was performing oral on her. And her head was kind of towards the side of the bed that I was on. And I went up and I kissed her and I kind of you know, held her hand and told her how beautiful she was and that kind of thing. So sweet. Thanks.
But then what happened?
Um, there was a lot of sex.
No, no, no, that doesn't fly here on this show because it really this is the first time you're seeing your wife with another man. Right? And as far as we know, this is the first time she's with another man. Other than you. Yeah. So he's down on her kissing her. Tell her she's beautiful. And
I'm pretty sure she climax that from the oral and then you know, he climbs up and from the head in the vagina to moving up to the erect penis in the vagina. And I don't I'm sorry, I don't know how I'm not very good at this stuff. But yeah, so there were you know, having sex missionary. You know, I mean, I'm smiling from ear to ear like, my face hurt from smiling so much.
But were you also aroused?
Oh, yeah. Yeah.
Okay. Were you taking in the whole scene? Or were you really looking if you know what I mean?
Yes. What both. So I was you know, I was kind of taken in the scene, but also I was really looking and there was this moment and I think this is probably like when you know if none of that had confirmed that this was kind of my my thing. He was kind of laying back against the headboard, She's sucking him off. butts up in the air. And I was like, you know, I think and I just kind of put my head in there and I was, you know, licking her pussy and her butt and everything. And it was.
This is after she's had sex with him right after she's had sex with him. So
there's, you know, there's like smells I haven't smelled before and there's lots of fluids and things and
And you enjoyed it.
Gosh, I was aroused. I was very aroused. Yeah,
Yeah, you're a cuck.
In case there was any doubt right?
But you kind of you kind of knew, right? I knew you didn't know you were just Yeah. Okay. After word, and you're home. And it's back to like, normal life. Yes. Well, was it weird? Or was it always like, like hanging in the background like, we gotta do that again.
So it was a little bit of both. Because we had actually the other gentleman that we'd met we had planned a meet and greet for him like that next weekend. We were going to meet him.
How was that experience? Was it different?
It was. He was more sensual. Kind of more time in like kissing the foreplay the body worship.
Are you just like in the background, or are you participating in any way?
Got him some drinks. I sat down on my chair over in the corner. When it's time for a condom. I got the condoms out for when lube was needed I got some lube.
You're so helpful.
I mean, that's I like
you like doing that.
Yes. There's a feeling of sort of, I'm facilitating her pleasure. You know? i It feels good to me.
Have you done cleanup yet? I haven't. How about any reclaiming sex?
I don't know that I love reclaiming as a word. It's like reconnecting might be I think I'd go with it, you know, kind of reconnecting sex.
And was that sex any different from the sex that you've had for the past 20 years,
There was a level of passion and just sort of, we felt deeper connected. I mean, I would say that's the way it was
Very nice. So this has actually brought you guys closer together.
It really has, when you can open up to your spouse, and you can tell her look, here's this thing that I've been holding on to for years that you're probably going to absolutely hate and it's you're going to feel you You're disgusting. You're a bad man, whatever. And when you can, like open up with that and she can take it and not crush it. It just it there's this there's this like feeling of acceptance. It's like what we all hope for for love
Have you had a lot of experiences in the short time? Yes. Have you had sex with other people?
So I have had oral sex with another woman
Performing or receiving both. The wife is okay with that. She was okay with that. Why didn't it go any further for you though?
She asked me not to go any further. My wife, you know she was not
Okay. So your wife doesn't want you to have sex with other people.
She's not ready for that. Okay.
And you're okay. I mean, do you want to have sex with other people?
The way I explained that is like, that is a that's a I'm sorry,
Your Honor. That was a yes or no question. So um, do you want to have sex with other people?
Yes, but only in the way like, if that's a stop along the roadside on the way to the destination. I'm cool with it. It's not a destination that I'm trying to get to.
But you would like to Yeah, I mean, it's it's not your focus. Whereas the focus for your wife is to be with other men. Yes. So this is a very interesting because and you're still very new in it and it might evolve. Yes, right. Right. So you could be you could be Swingers, possibly. And you could also be a cuckold couple, like depending on the situation, right? That's kind of fun. And you can connect with them see on his Twitter ad, poor little white one, but it's spelled a little differently. So look it up in our show notes. Alright, next time on consenting adults. Xena needs to take on new lovers and is still looking for a committed relationship that allows them
I have a voracious appetite. And so especially as men get older, I think it becomes quite clear, it's hard for them to keep up.
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