Ep 9 Swinging Ladies

A rarity in the lifestyle: two lesbian swingers who like to play with male/female couples. In this episode of Consenting Adults with Leyna Nguyen, Rachel and Tiffany talk about bisexual women in the lifestyle and those who are "pillow princesses." They do a podcast called the Sapphic Swingers about their journey in the lifestyle after hearing a friend talk about a sex club near their home. Now it's a weekly activity!

EP 9 – Swinging Ladies
Transcription:

0:00
Leyna: Hi everyone, It is a great week because I am in Cabo San Lucas here for a little getaway to celebrate the husband's birthday. And you know there's just something about being on vacation, especially when it's a place like this where it's nice and warm. There's water everywhere whether it's the pool or the ocean and people are in their bathing suits and they're drinking and everyone's having a good time. It makes everything better, including this podcast because I was editing this episode, and I don't know if it was just me or the environment that I'm in, or if my guest today are just really amazingly fun full of energy, and just have this great way about them. Anyway, before we get to them. I want to give a shout out to some of our new followers, a big hello to these spiritual swingers. Very interesting I may have to have them on the show, and I think they started following us after Episode Seven called faith and fidelity, where I talked to Keith Giles about how the lifestyle fits into Christianity. In fact, a Bob Walden tweeted us that that was his favorite episode so far he called an intelligent conversation about sex and religion. I mean really, what could go wrong, and a shout out to at Frank Frank 6761, who says he really really enjoyed last week's episode called COVID, and kink, if you haven't listened to this one yet, you've got to go back and listen. It's this cute couple who because of the COVID shutdown started making their own porn and then like started swinging. Alright, today's guests we haven't talked a lot about it but you probably know that in the lifestyle, the unicorn is the single female referred to as a unicorn because she is rare, and much sought after, especially as a couple, wanting to bring someone in. So what happens when you get two women?

2:04
You see a lot of bisexual women, and the guests we usually they're on our face. Get ready. This is consenting adults.

(Podcast Show Open)
 
Leyna: My guest today are a couple who have been together for 14 years married for nine of those glorious years, And they've been in the lifestyle for seven years, their ages are 40 and 43 one is in finance, the other one works in it. They both live in South Florida, although I won't hold that against you. And for fun. They do a podcast called Sapphic Swingers where they talk about the lifestyle and being swingers. But let me read you the description. They are two ladies in love, who love the ladies. That's right. They may have a no penis policy, Do you guys have a no penis policy?

3:37
Guest: I would say that we're very unusual in the swinging community we have not met a lot of other strictly lesbian couples.

3:45
Guest: Yeah, it's, we're definitely against, you know, stuff that we don't love our male friends we do love them very much. We just don't want the penis in any of our orphuses. Nothing against men, you just really don't want to touch them, or you you don't want them to touch you. Yeah, we both tried to be straight, you know it's conventions tell you and religion and society and sometimes family says you have to be the certain way and we both. We both tried to give it the old college try. We just kind of knew forever that it just wasn't for us but it's hard to you know I was in the army. So, is it Don't Ask Don't Tell, so you actually could not be gay, otherwise you get kicked out.

4:22
Leyna: Right. Do you find that there's the same kind of resistance when it comes to being in the lifestyle, being non monogamous?

4:32
Guest: we don't find resistance at all, we find the lifestyle to be probably the most welcoming place. Everyone is very friendly obviously might be because they want to fuck you. But yeah, everyone is so friendly so open and so welcoming, it has been it has been very easy for us to find find our amazing friends and groove in the lifestyle.

4:53
Guest: Yeah and there's so many women at least for us here in South Florida, sorry if you hate us down here Yo what's up. East Coast and out Yeah, but there's so many bisexual women which is great so it's kind of like a candy store and when we go out to the clubs and stuff. But people will say oh you're lesbians and the first thing they say is Oh, so you don't play with men at all. And for us it coming from the lesbian community. That means you don't play with men, but so we had to kind of reiterate, oh no we don't, because some women in lifestyle say they're lesbians but they might dabble a little bit. For us it means strictly the the lovely ladies

5:28
Leyna: but that's because the community is friendly, I'm talking about the people who aren't at the lifestyle. How open are you guys with friends and family and you know people you're not sleeping with.

5:40
Guest: We are out to many friends. Definitely not family, no, no. Definitely not family, so if you if you call my mom I'm going to be really upset.

Leyna: Okay, all right. Thing about you guys, they just don't know that you're just about the lifestyle yes

5:57
Guest: correct we're married lesbians and the family was all at our wedding so

Leyna: I mean they accepted you for being lesbian Right.

6:05
Guest: Absolutely.

Leyna: Why haven't you told them?

Guest: It feels like another coming out, and it's not something we're prepared to share with our family, I don't know if we ever will, I hope, kinda hoping they don't stumble across our podcast because we talk about a lot of sex with other women. I don't know if I feel like they'll, you know, of course they'll be some judging and curiosity but they might feel like we're missing something in our relationship that we have to seek outside of our marriage, which isn't true at all. If you're doing that for swinging you're doing it the wrong way, in our opinion, it's just not a conversation that we want to have. I'm not super close, you know, communication wise in my family. So just this would just add like another layer of awkward.

6:50
Guest: Well, and also I think that we, we kind of thought, a little bit for our relationship, especially in your family, and for our relationship to the legitimize and things like that so I feel like if we came out as swingers and that we're not monogamous I feel like they would look at us sort of with disdain, almost, or like or judgment. Yeah.

Leyna: Right, well they wouldn't understand it

7:12
Guest: it we almost sort of. Yeah, exactly. We almost sort of want some of the family members to find out so we can talk about ourselves because we're like, alright, we can't do all these vacations because we want to do swinger stuff. So it's almost like you want to you want to be out it a little bit but it would just be a really difficult conversation

Leyna: were you guys into this lifestyle before you met each other.

7:35
Guest: We were not, as you mentioned in our intro we've been together for 14 years, but we've only been into lifestyle for seven years we, it kind of all began with a dinner party that we hosted for a friend's birthday and Tiff overheard our friends talking about this club they went to where you can actually watch people have sex.

7:55
Guest: That definitely caught my attention because you're sitting at a table with like 10 or 12 Lesbians, like we're at this club and people were having sex, I'm like, are sticking out my ears were like, to tune in, immediately, because I didn't think that stuff happened it sounded like so 1970s like you know swingery stuff. And I'm like, this stuff happens, like in our neighborhood and it turned out the club was only like 15 minutes from our house.

Leyna: So how long did it take you to get to the club?

Guest: about six months

Leyna: a long time actually.

Guest: Yeah, we started to explore, first we explored the you know the website for the club they were talking about. And then we said all right so swinging is a thing there's these all these terms we're learning lifestyle this that, and we sort of learned okay there's rules or things we should talk about before we go to the club, and it was a lot to work into because, although, you know, we hadn't done anything prior to this date, Rachel had done some you know some group sex kind of stuff, if she wants to expound on that I'll sit here and touch myself.

8:59
Guest: that was in my pre-Tiff day. Yeah, the dark ages and yeah I had dabbled a little bit in group sex and when we first got together and you know how you kind of talk about your sexual history with with your new your new girlfriend, and so yeah I told Tiff a little bit about that and she was like, Oh hell no, I would never be able to do a threesome I'd be so jealous. And so I learned this about Tiff like very early on in our relationship so okay file that on my brain, we're never gonna do threesomes or anything of that nature. And so the fact that it was TIFF, that heard about this at our dinner party and started doing all the research and bringing it up and asking me if we should go to the club that I think that was the only way it could have happened.

9:45
Leyna: So you heard about this club and that you can watch people having sex, watching people having sex and actually having sex with other people are like, totally different things

9:53
Guest: right vastly different Yeah, the voyeur versus exhibitionist for yeah there's so many different layers when it comes to the swinging lifestyle. But for us, we didn't realize it was like, you know, a swinger club. We said, that's really high we're like watching porn set that will just really turn us on, we love to just go watch and like get excited, so that was where it started, and then we started here you know this is a podcast and talking because communication is obviously huge and lifestyle. And our first trip which we said was he wants six months later, we said we're just going to go hang out and see what it's all about, and just you know, kind of, get involved in the energy and talk to people and see if there's something we want to pursue.

10:32
Leyna: Tell me about that first trip. Is this a straight sex club

Guest: um, it's, it's a swinger club I mean there's no.

Leyna: Okay, so there's no like gay, gay swingers club

10:43
Guest: Oh no no no no, no, but, but, I mean you see a lot of bisexual women, and the guests we usually they're on our face. Now, now, absolutely. So it looks like so. When you first walk and it looks like any other nightclub, there's you know there's no windows because obviously there's nudity and perhaps you know sexual things happening. So it's you know it's a bit darker mood lighting DJ dance floor stripper pole couches, they actually serve food at our club sound like stripper club food is really good actually. But we were just we got there late, I'm originally from Miami so in Miami, you don't go out till 11 1130 So we get there probably 1030. And by then it's already happened like this place is kicking it and it's open till four 4am

Leyna: Wow

11:29
Guest: that was definitely a rookie mistake on our part though to get there so late because we missed like getting a tour of the club so one of the things they do is they actually give new couples, a tour so they kind of know the layout, they know where the bathrooms are the bathrooms the bars, everything like that. We didn't get that we missed that But thankfully, when we got in there was a very friendly couple that quickly took us under their wing and welcomed us.

11:54
Leyna: Do you find that women are welcomed with open arms into these clubs in this lifestyle?

12:01
Guest: absolutely and they're called unicorns. So anytime two women walk in, they're like, Alright, awesome so they spotted us immediately. They were like newbie tattooed on our foreheads, because we just walk it was like what are you doing. It was so overwhelming like I probably couldn't, I used to do mapping when I was in the army, I couldn't draw a map of the clubs I'm so overwhelmed and I was nervous. And I'm pretty good spatially but I'm like there was so much to see and I'm like, oh, then you could kind of look into the backroom, you don't have to go into the background you can see, we call it the fishbowl, so they keep the curtains open until a certain amount of time so you could watch people having sex, I'm like, wait, this is amazing. Yeah, it's one of the group play rooms that opens out to the to the dance floor and a little bit.

12:47
Guest: I was blown away by everything but the the kindness of everyone and everyone was so respectful, and that's how it usually is with lifestyle there's you know you're gonna get your occasional douchebags because you know, people, but it was just absolutely so welcoming, and like the fact that somebody came up to us right away and showed us around.

13:03
But we did see a blowjob happening while we were on the dance floor that first night.

Leyna: And as lesbians is that, like, do you go, you or do you go huh?

Guest: We thought it was so freakin hot, like we were a little shocked. A little out of our element we couldn't believe that was happening right in front of us doesn't bother us like unless only  when someone tries to unwanted the sexual advances. It's not going in my mouth. I buy it, I promise.

13:31
Leyna Okay so, like I candy all over the place. Yes you do anything that first night.?

Guest: No, no. We didn't do anything we, we just took it all in and as much as we could. It was so overwhelming, and we like to look back on that experience so when we see new people come in, all the staff knows us so, so we're like, alright, let us know someone comes in and they want a tour because we know what it's like to walk in and not know anyone, and not know where anything is so, so we got like to recall that experience and just trying to help other people out to when they come,

14:01
so we didn't do anything that first night but our experiences definitely prompted a lot of discussion. And so from there we had discussions on what. How would it feel if you saw me kissing another woman. And so we had all of those conversations. After that first time and so then

14:18
Leyna: After you come home from the club you weren't like all hot and bothered?

Guest: oh we were Oh, we I think we stayed up till the sun came up.

14:29
Yes. And then the next couple days, then you're talking all about these questions so Wow that was so fucking hot what would, what would it look like if we were to kiss another woman, what would it look like if we were to explore that a little more. And so we were super excited to go back to the club so we went back I think a couple weeks later, and that night that second time, we had sort of given each other the green light to kiss another woman. If the situation happened and just see how we both reacted to it. And so we find ourselves on the dance floor with a sexy lady, and she was flirty and dancing really close, so I just decided to go for it and kiss her. And so I remember the kiss, being really good, and then I pulled away and I made eye contact with Tiff who was dancing behind her. And then I probably did the most awkward thing that I've ever done in the lifestyle, and I sort of flipped, flipped her around. And I said, now you have to make out with my wife. So I clearly felt like I had to even the playing field or something and just kind of see how it was for tiff to get somebody else, but I was like Oh Are you cool with it, she's you know that she was cool, So we made out but it was funny because like at that point we were saying, we had to make sure it's level and like not one person's kissing girl and the other one isn't, which has changed obviously but like at that point we're so new, right, like, Okay.

Leyna: Was there any jealousy?

Guest: yeah you know it always comes up, we're human, it's you know, jealousy, especially in the beginning, I think, rage, I don't want to speak to that, like, like I said I never thought I would be comfortable with this and now we went from doing nothing to having like girl piles, but wow. Oh what's hot girl piles. we got time we got all night.

16:09
Yeah, time to time, time two was still innocent but the third time we went to the club we finally ventured into the backroom, you know, as I said, jealousy, it's part of human nature, and you know you might say, you know, is she going to like that girl more than me, does she find a more attractive she better you know. Yeah, so you know things come up, but with the lifestyle. When you encounter something you talk about it and sometimes they're, they're difficult conversations and in the beginning, we sort of started, you know, we're seeing, you know, hanging out with a gal who we had a little bit, you know start getting a little bit emotions and we said we had to cut it off because we don't want to be polyamorous, and it just wasn't right and we were so new and figuring things out so yeah jealousy of course comes up

16:53
Leyna: at this point now in your lives. It's just purely sexual, you're just swingers you're not polyamorous?

Guest: yeah I don't know, you know, we definitely have love first for some of the women we play with and our friends. I don't know where we're at the line is between swing and polyamory we don't you know we're not going to cohabitate with anyone. We have certain women that we play with it's not all just random sex at all like we've now we prefer it to be someone we're connected with because we find it's better we care more we get to learn, you know what she likes. And, you know, it means so much more, getting to know the woman. So I don't know where the line is I mean we certainly love our some of our friends,

Leyna: do you guys always played together?

17:36
Guest: We do. We do. For us, the lifestyle is very much a team sport, part of the excitement that we both get in the lifestyle is kind of watching, watching the other one, have a good time. And so for us it's very important to play together, we have progressed in our seven years of being in the lifestyle, too. We've done separate room play with, like, two of our closest play friends. Yeah, only two,

18:05
because it takes a long, long time to get to that point where we were, I'm fine with Rachel, or Rachel's family playing with someone separate because, like she said a lot of the fun and awesome is the conversion like I like to see her being pleasured, and not every time well the woman the end of both of us. You know, sometimes they're just in a Rachel, mostly Rachel, because you know, but so not. So we understand that. Luckily we like the same time, type of woman. So it's like I'm sending you a dirty text right now so you know what I'm talking about,  just kidding.

Leyna: as you progressed in the lifestyle. Did you try to be with a male female couple.

18:47
Guest: Absolutely. Um, most of our experiences in lifestyle have been with a male female couple. It's it's unusual where we get a unicorn or, or a bisexual female that the husband is cool with a hall pass. Yeah, get, get a hall pass. I was trying to think of the term. It's been forever with COVID hall passes already why no we are such rookies right now like we haven't, we haven't been swinging for since March, yeah. March was a good month.

19:19
Yeah, so, yes. So when a woman gets a hall pass you know her husband or partner says, Go have fun with the lesbians, send me pictures or audio and, you know, have my blessing. But I would say the majority of times is with, with a male female couple, so he's there, so we just say the only rule is you just don't play with us or like, whenever you want to, you know, your partner y'all have fun, you know, you can follow her while we set our face, everyone have a good time. It's yeah, that's usually the situation is that there's a male there is some guys like the cuckold relationship like they actually, they want to they want to watch and they don't want to touch it all because you know it turns them on and then later on you can, you know, have a lot of fun so there's so many different layers of lifestyle so you know we found a good a good time for sure.

20:06
Leyna: You talked earlier about women who are in the lifestyle who may not be bisexual, who are just curious. I mean, can you, can you spot them a mile away now? Are you that good?

20:20
Guest: I am terrible gay-dar Bi-dar, I'm the worst. So are you referring to women who are not bisexual?

20:30
Leyna: Well I think that there are women who romanticize the lifestyle, thinking, Oh, that would be really great and then when you get down to it, maybe they're thinking they just want to be serviced.

20:40
Guest: Oh yeah, princesses. Yeah, total princess. Those are pillow princess. Are you taking those right now? Yeah, that's a fellow princess.

20:50
You know I'm okay, I'm okay with that, as long as they want to kiss because kissing for us is so essential and like, for me that's almost better than get my kidney now, like that's so sexy. I love I love kissing like that's. If a woman is a good kisser. That's going to probably turn us off from wanting to play with her. So, if she wants to be a princess, that's fine. Like, we love giving pleasure, and part of the fun lifestyle is like, I don't enjoy penetration at all. And so Rachel, you know, if I there's a strap on Rachel's, you know, taking the strap one. But when we play sometimes Rachel gets to wear it with overlays which, which I love it I love having that power and I love getting to wear it so that's kind of a fringe benefit for us in life now.

21:34
Leyna: Okay, I have to ask, please. This whole strap on thing. Hey, now, I think my thought on it, would you just hit on the whole power thing which is seriously if I had a penis, I would have been right all day. Absolutely. Right with as many women as possible, as many, and that feeling of like invading. But is there any actual physical pleasure when you're using one?

22:05
Guest: Yeah, our favorite actually is a strapless strap on, so the wearer, there's actually probably a two inch bulb shaped insert that goes inside the wearer. And so, to hold the strap on and you actually have to Keigo around that ball. And so, as your as your fucking and thrusting you feel, you feel that it actually pushes against your G spot, and it feels so freaking good, and there's actually a bullet that goes in there as well. So both the vibe yeah both both women feel the vibration, feel the vibration. So that's actually our favorite strap on to use but other other ones that are in a harness, you can definitely feel a little bit but it's more, it's more just external declared.

22:57
Guest: There's some emotion when you're, you know when you're slamming hit the clit, the friction, it's, it's, you know, but also it's also about giving pleasure. So, you know, you don't always get yourself but yeah that was, that was pretty hot but it does feel good, like we do this weird cruises and I remember this one gal was you know eating Rachel out and I was fucking out from behind, and I'm like, This is fucking awesome, like that's just a memory I'm used to be like masturbating. So maybe I didn't come then but I will definitely come later.

23:27
Leyna: There was a time where you were both straight right?

Guest: we tried to use yes yeah we gave it the college try. We tried. We knew.

Leyna; I mean you've been with men.

23:35
Leyna: Yes, and now that you're in the lifestyle. You've never entertained the possibility of being, you know, sexually involved with the male in the couple?

23:47
Guest: Now it's just not something that, that we're, we're into just like straight now and be like, Oh no, I'm not really. And to try being with a guy and you know that unfortunately lifestyle bisexual men are looked down on very much. I think they, they look at them as, oh you're you know you're not a real man and you know you're, you're, you're a pussy and you know you don't, you know, get away from my dick like it's just such like alpha saying to do it yet, but I'm sorry I always digress and it's Rachel's looking at me right now like to stay on point. No we haven't. We like I said we tried to be straight, it wasn't just not who we are a new folly in elementary school was attracted to women, no, no, no penis.

24:28
Yeah, no, no penis for us but we love watching our couples or friends. I mean it's so hot. We don't run, we don't run away from, from seeing their penis we don't run away from washing them fuck like it's it's super hot, and we'll be touching her while they fuck to what's hot.

24:47
Okay so we're like, oh sorry, I'm sorry.

Leyna: Yeah, let's go back to that girl pile thing.

Guest: All right, I mean, so I guess there's an orgy or there's just like everyone fucking but then girl piles just I don't know how many did we decide that was a pile, like, four, four plus was a pile. Yes, just a pile of girls touching each other and kissing and licking fingering and just so this has happened a lot at our club like there's a big ol little play area and just sometimes it just, you know, we're having sex and all sudden another girl jumps in another another and all sudden suffocating already is a pile of pussy and I'm totally fine with it. So yeah, we've, we've had a bunch of girl piles and they varied in numbers from one to like 600.

25:46
Leyna: Have you noticed any difference in your relationship since you started the lifestyle.

25:52
Guest: Absolutely, I would say that we are much better communicators. That's that's certainly been a plus. I was actually viewed before this I didn't know how to speak.  TIF was actually very bad at expressing emotions and feelings, and the lifestyle has certainly opened that up a lot more. Yeah, exactly. You have to do otherwise, otherwise you're gonna,

Leyna:  Yu get to a point where, you know how it's kinda like porn like the more you watch the more you need to turn you on, like you build up resistance or not not resistance, you build up tolerance. Does that happen with sex? Does that happen in the lifestyle where it needs to be weirder or Wilder or more or, you know, sex was just to have you, normal, like regular stuff doesn't do it anymore?

26:46
Guest: Like kinkier Yeah I can see that I can see I like an app because like you get you get around that environment, like we used to go out to clubs so much, and as soon as you're back there it's like an automatic, so it gets kind of like a, like a drug, a little bit. Sometimes I could see how it canhappen, and it hasn't happened with you know enough for us but I can, I can understand, cuz some people have to do lifestyle stuff all the time. Right.

Leyna: How often do you guys do lifestyle stuff.

Guest: Well before COVID We were doing every Saturday night we do the club, and then we might set up some dates, like in our house, you know, take the boat out go, you know, fuck around the boat, whatever. Yeah. Fairly often a lot as much as we could but you know with work

27:36
Leyna: When you guys call up and you just say hey you want to go fuck around you actually mean.

27:43
Leyna: It's not always about that like, there's one thing I love about the lifestyles that we've developed so such amazing friendships, and even if we don't have sex with someone, it's like we were just hanging out like this good social distance times friends, and she's straight, which is unusual for lifestyle down here. But, like, awesome friends like do anything for him hanging out all the time. It's just, it develops these bonds, if you see somebody naked and ejaculating all right come on. What else is there to hide you can talk about anything right

28:13
Guest: exactly all the walls are down. Yeah, I just want to go back to the question that you asked about if sex gets boring after we're so used to the lifestyle and I would say that the ways that we make it not get boring is kind of reliving some of our experiences in the lifestyle so we'll talk about 'remember that night when even when she was eating me out and you were fucking from behind' and so we say those things to each other, or there was, there was one experience we had, where she, her husband, she had a hall pass her husband let her come here by herself. And she said the only thing I need to give back to them is I need to record some audio of us playing, and she shared the audio with us, and that is so fucking hot. Like I play that audio sometimes and it just gets me super turned on, or just think, just thinking about some of those experiences kind of puts you a little bit back there, And it spices up spices up the sex a little bit. It's not a crutch, it's just, it's a nice little like, it's a benefit, it's a benefit of being in the lifestyle that we have these experiences and stuff to draw on and remember, and it's fucking turns us on again and again.

29:20
Leyna: Do you think there's a difference between being turned on by watching your partner being with someone else, and getting joy out of seeing them enjoy themselves. Is there a difference? Oh my god the line has gone down.

29:37
Guest: Test 123 I may be confused I may be drunk so a difference between watching

29:47
Leyna: a difference between being turned on by watching your partner with someone else, and actually feeling joy, you know, actually feeling whatever that is, that your partner is enjoying themselves, like one is a very sexual thing and the other one is a very caring emotional thing.

Guest: Okay, got it. Yeah, the conversion thing, There's been times are like Rachel, like will be at the club and she's just going at it with a chick, sitting, you know, sitting on the bench here and I'm talking to her husband just like when we talk about fantasy football or something, throws out a lot more sorry I brought a little more and more the dude. Okay, so they're they're having their way and I look over every now and again and I just smiled, I'm like, That's awesome, and yes it's sexual like I'm surrounded by people having sex in the backroom of a club, but, um, you know, at that point I'm not like super sexually turned on. I just love that she is having a good time. Yeah, there can be absolutely and then other times I'll sit there and I'll be masturbating while she's playing with another girl, or another lady, excuse me. For me I kind of feel like very intertwined, because if I'm, if I'm watching TIF get pleasure if I'm watching her, have an orgasm. Yes, that's gonna fuckin turn me on. So I see it, I see it as very intertwined or if I'm watching as I'm watching you pleasure to somebody else, that also turns me on.

31:11
But I will say it's for little so me you know army I'm hyper vigilant. So we're anywhere. I, it's hard for me to completely relaxed because I want to make sure that Rachel safe, right, and that no because we're two women, you know like a lot of times you got this big dude looking out for his for his woman. I want to make sure everything's okay and no one's you know touching her inappropriately, and no one's saying anything to her. Because like, like we said, it's not you know microcosm of the universe we may still have shitty people that are in lifestyle and it's rare. Luckily, but it still happens in you know it, we weren't all the girl piles or all the women's play rooms like that's that's pretty hard, I feel, I feel very more, much more relaxed but I do, obviously you know just love watching her get pleasure it's, it's awesome.

Leyna: And then do you think that there is a fine line between that, you know that jealousy feeling that there's a fine line between feeling jealous, and then feeling turned on?

32:08
Guest: I think there's actually one of the kings, that's where they, they actually get turned on by jealousy, it's I forget that the term, there's we've learned so many different terms. There's a term for that I gotta leave. Because I don't know this Google machine works. Google, I want to Ask Jeeves right now I don't know how this thing works for us I don't I don't feel like that, that comes about by Billy, because I don't want to ever have that jealousy.

32:40
Leyna: Speaking of kinks, did you guys discover anything that you didn't know or think that you would be into?

32:48
Guest: Absolutely we we've we've definitely dabbled a little bit in, I guess the fetish. We really enjoy flogging and the St Andrew's Cross. It's like a dungeon implement, where, where you can strap up your partner and you spread their spread their, their arms and like a Y shape and then the legs are open, so it's sort of like a big X, and you strap them to this, and it gives you a perfect environment to tease and flog and enjoy your partner.

33:25
Leyna: Alright, so you do sex clubs. You do these lifestyle cruises, are there other ways that you're meeting people?

33:32
Guest: Aside from online we get we've done a hedonism in Jamaica, so it's a resort so it's a full resort all inclusive. We did that for young swingers week. A few years ago, which is pretty cool. Our number one vacation is the swearing crew so otherwise we plan just doing vacations with with lifestyle friends, it's hard to get back to doing vanilla stuff once you've been doing this because it's all you want to do, I'm like, we don't have kids because they ruin everything. So we're pretty free to travel and there isn't a pandemic going on.

Leyna: Right, right. So this COVID thing is really put a kibosh on just about everything.

Guest: We're so over this, we hate it. We have done some virtual date nights though with COVID and we had a group online. A group of us I think there was eight of us on a zoom call and it turned into a 4g virtual virtual orgy 4g

Leyna: Where can people find you.

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Guest: You can find us Sapphicswingers.blogspot.com or you can hit us up on Gmail at SapphicSwingers also on Twitter, or you can come hang out or pool or you hop in the pool is open.

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Leyna:The Sapphic Swingers I do believe that's an open invitation to come see them in Florida. All right. Next time on Consenting Adults, while some women feel their libido takes a dive once they hit menopause, my guest says hers, went into overdrive.

Guest: It's been I think stronger than it used to be or more than it used to be so
Leyna: but you're talking in the last year from like 49-50 that you're more multi-orgasmic
Guest: Absolutely.
Leyna: Now all she has to do is get her husband to better accept her boyfriend. That's next time on Consenting Adults.