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A couple goes from experimenting with a threesome to throwing their own parties to making adult films to the wife working at one of Dennis Hof's infamous brothels in Vegas. Catrina & John talk about their progression in the lifestyle and give us a peek into what really happens inside "the Ranch." Support this show and get bonus and exclusive content at BuyMeAcoffee.com/LeynaNguyen
We have to know DC, which is a dick check.
Oh, and what do you what are you checking for?
You're checking for so what you do is you take a baby wipe and you put rubbing alcohol on it.
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And you find it a turn on to hear about what he did. Yeah. And then it's like, I want to come home and get it the way she got it. Does he know you have a boyfriend? Yes. This is Consenting Adults with Leyna Nguyen
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My guest today are a married couple Catrina and John together for 12 years married for six years. She is a 56 year old accountant. He is a 58 year old computer programmer, but don't let that fool you. Because wait until you hear their story. John and Catrina thanks for coming on the show as I was kind of reading your information and hearing about your journey to me it was like it snowballed. You started with the little something and it looks like you guys both just rolled down the hill and it became something probably not what you were planning on doing right? Not at all. Let's go back. How far back do we have to go before we can say okay, that's when you guys got a little kinky,
Probably, I would say 10 years,
So 10 years ago what happened?
Um, we were sitting one evening having conversation about fantasies, and my previous life, we didn't have fantasies. I was just awestruck. And John's Fantasy was to have a threesome. And so I thought, Okay, what kind of what's a threesome?
Wow. So you really didn't know much
I didn't I was naive and very green and so he's explaining a threesome to me and I said, we can try that and his jaw dropped.
Okay, so was the threesome that you had in mind John, your wife and another woman or then girlfriend
You know obviously the guys you know, you want to have that that you know two women. But I figured to kind of ease her into it easier on her if it was you know, another guy.
Oh, so you actually it was MFM unless
MFN MFM in that case, okay.
So your first little bit of mmf, so
I know that's the snowball I'm talking about. Okay, so you decide you want to do something a little kinky. You present this MFM to her, right? She says okay, you're like, Whoa, how did you make it happen?
Well, this to show you how innocent we were then we will have adult friend finder and found somebody in, you know, there's not many Swingers, you'll find today that are really active there. They're active on other boards. So we found a great guy there. Met him had had a few drinks, didn't we? Yeah.
I mean, neither of you've done anything like this. So how did you actually get into it?
It's funny, she's what she was wearing a dress that had a lot of zipper. And we'd go back to the room and we're kind of talking and making out I unzip a few inches and her eyes would just go wide and shock and you know, we talk a little longer that it's a few more inches. And we started off both concentrating on her and I think this kind of led us into a lot of other things. We tried later much later on. He was bi I wasn't averse to it but I never really thought of it before. So you know, there was we got into the mode and we like to do this later on where we said that we like it when everybody's playing and nobody's afraid to be touched or to touch and that's what that was, you know, so he played with me a little bit he played for a little bit. We both played with her. I played with him a little bit. It was it was a great introduction to the lifestyle.
But before this you like had never thought about like touching another man have you know, so the three of you are are in this room and you kind of start slowly and it becomes this whole thing. What did you end up doing that day? Was it a lot more than you'd thought you would do?
I had no expectations so I didn't know what was going to happen or where it was going to lead. So I can't really say it was more than what I thought was going to happen. It didn't disappoint, didn't disappoint, and it didn't leave anything unfulfilled. So we ever we just kind of let things roll as they were, we're going to happen. So I don't think that first time he kind of took us by the hand and let us a little bit too so that how we picked a good guy. We were lucky there.
How did this become something more than just a
We talked about it afterwards? And that was something that we did all the time is kind of reconnect and talk with each other and talk about what we liked or what we didn't like and when we pretty much like everything that time.
Yeah. And something that we had agreed upon is that after any sort of party or encounter we would always talk about likes and dislikes. And we would always reconnect
We reconnected until that one big party that we should talk about in a bit. Oh yeah.
No, not a bit do it now.
Well, we eventually started to hosting party but you know from the threesome, we went to a foursome and we learned a few things from doing that. I learned that just because he's spanking your wife you shouldn't spank his wife because she might not like it.
Oh, yeah. Good lesson.
So we went from that. We eventually started hosting parties and one of the parties we talked to, we had some women that were that had expressed an interest in coming we talk to each one of them. We said we're setting up a gangbang we want to know how many men you're comfortable with and all the women said Oh, four or five men. So we had seven women. We invited 28 men, and these were couples. The women were part of a couple, we invited 28 men, the men all showed up. They all showed up for the party on time. We had a large room and they're all lined up along the wall
and we encourage the couples to come early to kind of get comfortable
but none of them did anybody did. So they show up and they wait a couple of seconds and then they have to go get something from their car and they never come back. And so
all of the couples left with left all the 28 single guys there with me.
Oh, wait a second. You invited couples and then there were all these extra guys
Because we were basically setting it up as a custom gangbang. You know how many guys you comfortable playing with yourself. And we invited that set of guys for each one. I see.
And all those couples left because all the single guys were already there or they thought it was just too many to handle.
All the single guys arrived on time all the couples were late. Yeah.
So all the couples came in saw the guys and then left
and less so and so there you are. I am
There I am and and I thought okay, I cannot a lot of bi guys. Party too. A lot of bi guys at this party and I thought well we can either cancel the party, or we can all just have fun and because we had so many bi guys and I thought let's just all have fun. And we all had fun. We had a blast. I was exhausted and but we had fun.
All right, I need to go back and ask you about jealousy because you make it sound very easy that you went from being vanilla to threesomes to sex parties to gang bangs was there jealousy?
Yes, there was our first foursome. The husband of the other woman had complimented me. I don't remember on what so John felt he should compliment the other wife. Well, he chose one area of her body to compliment that I was self conscious about mine. And so I felt very jealous. I was very upset. I was almost in tears. And he didn't understand why I was upset and well he Okay, complimented you and so I need the compliment. And so that was hard.
And we talked through it and that was one of the things that was very important especially that early in our playing was was to discuss all this can learn what we did right or what we could have done better.
Right. And then we had another another one where this couple came up to us they wanted in this was at a club. There was a mirror above us the husband wanted to watch his wife being played with he and he don't want to play he just wanted to watch so I'm just laying there. While while he watches his wife, I'm thinking okay, this is kind of weird. And there was some jealousy there because you know, I was just laying there. So, if you can't talk, you can't be in the lifestyle
She's talking about and making it sound so horrible that she's laying there doing nothing while I'm having sex. That's the first club that was the Green Door in Vegas. And that was the first time she had a gangbang yes, no, we got there early and we were still kind of innocent. We didn't know what to do. You didn't know anybody. You know, we're kind of wandering around and we meet this local couple. I guess they come there every Saturday night or something. And we explained, you know, hey, we're new to the lifestyle. Oh, I know everybody here. So she takes us to one of the private rooms and she just points to guys that she knows Oh, come on in and one after another after another. I think you went on for two or three hours or so I'm sitting there. I did get a blowjob from her husband. Because she asked me she's my husband would like to do you mind? Blow job no.
Why did you guys start hosting your own parties? Is that a natural?
Well, we’ve been going to a few parties at that point by that point. And we went to one and it was referred by somebody. It was a guy who did gang bangs in the San Fernando Valley. He kind of does dive hotels you know that so it had that gang bang vibe to it. Yeah. And we seen the lady up front. We realize she's getting paid to be there. She's not getting paid to have sex. That'd be illegal. She's getting paid to host to be there.
A woman was was being paid to be at the party. Be at the party.
So she would do whatever she wants, but she was what she wanted. Right. She was paid to attend the party.
Yes. And we thought, well, she's being just as friendly at the party. So why get so? So anyway, worked out a deal where for a couple of parties. We were paid to attend.
Oh, but then how did you move from that to hosting your own?
Well, we realized that you know, we had the contacts by then we knew that we knew people we knew the boards. And we just thought we could put something together that would be a little little more polished. And you did that for some time. Several years. Yeah, we did that where we were turning people away because we had too many people for the room.
Oh, okay. Why did you guys stop doing that?
Well, that was another natural progression. We were on several of the lifestyle boards then. And we were contacted through FetLife by a adult film agent.
Oh, and he wanted to know if I would be interested in doing adult films.
So we went from shooting with some of the big producers to doing what they call content trade shoots. So you know the male talent the female talent will both get a copy of whatever's filmed and they both sell it as they as they can or as they see fit.
This isn't something that you did as a you know, young person kind of don't know willy nilly
shot all over 50
Because I and and you did a granny shoot I did Idid that I was gonna be a grandma on that.
You're together. You're married. You know you start doing this fun threesome thing, then you start going to sex clubs and you're like, hey, we can hold our own party to make them better. And you and you did that. And then you go into adult filmmaking, both as just starring in it and then producing your own stuff. And before this, like we're either of you in the lifestyle or we're either of you, like, you know, flying your freak flag at all. No,
no. We're probably both as vanilla as they come.
We have come out of marriages where sex was kind of was very vanilla. Yeah. We did bar challenges too. Yes, that was one bar challenges
What's the bar challenge.
She would walk in the bar ahead of me. So we didn't go in the bar together. And then she would get points for getting getting a guy to buy her drink. She'd get a point. Getting her to take out, take her out back and make out the parking lot. And then getting him to go back to our hotel room. She'd get another point for that.
Do you guys have fantasies that you haven't fulfilled yet?
I've had people say, Okay, I'm going to help people solve this fantasy but it never comes together never comes together. And it's always been me with another woman and we're making out and John has in the corner watching. So
you said it was like come in after you get started and comes in after we've started and then he joins in, but we've never been able to make that happen.
And that sounds actually pretty tame compared to the guys have already done right. Okay, John, any fantasies for you?
We kind of did this once before for a little bit. We've gone to a couple of times to adult bookstores. There's there's one in the San Fernando Valley that we went to and there's a glory hole there. Oh, and so we went there and the competition was to see at first the competition was to see who could get the most guys to cum. Or who could get them to cum the fastest.
And you and your wife?
Yeah. Oh, she was with me. Yes.
Oh, okay. So the competition was between you two? Yeah. Two
How many guys we can get to cum?
Yeah. She cheated. She turns around and let's lets him fuck you in the booth. She won.
And John, you didn't
No, I didn’t.
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That is one thing I want to try some time though. That's something you haven't tried yet.
I have we've done pegging you've ever received anal though.
Oh, okay. Why and why not? You guys seem pretty adventurous.
Because I was hosting the parties where the guys do that.
So it's finding a guy who I
Finding the right, Yeah. And then so we did, we kind of fulfilled part of my fantasy. We went to another adult bookstore in Santa Barbara, actually. So we're in the booth and she's basically playing with herself to where anybody walking by can see it. And eventually a guy came in and did you in the booth that was hot, but what I want to do is I wanted to go into an adult theater where there's a whole bunch of guys and have her be available, maybe even have both of us be available to be. That'd be fun.
What's an adult theater?
A lot of them will have small booths in the back that are viewing booths. So you go in there and you put your money in and there'll be porn playing on the on the screen. Oh, interesting. A number of those have what's called glory holes where somebody has drilled a hole in the wall, right? And you go in there and of course, things come through the hole. You do things with them. There was there was a time when she became known when she was doing the adult films for her Texas tongue twirl blowjobs Oh, and so I tried for a while since we were hanging around by guys to try to compete on blowjobs I never got as good as her when she did another name that there was no with that. She got told by one of the adult talents Yeah,
and what does that
The tongue twirls around the Dick while it's in her mouth. It feels really good. Okay, it feels good realized
there was a name for it either.
I don't know. I got but I got told not to do it.
In addition to the small little booths, there's actually several places that have a theater so there'll be maybe 20 or 30 seats for 20 or 30 people in there. There'll be porn playing on the screen. And quite often a lot more going on in the audience than is on screen.
Sure. I bet. Wow. So a lot of this stuff is happening in Southern California. Most of the what you're talking about and it's still I mean, you know, pushing pandemic aside this stuff still is out there still available still going on.
From what we’ve heard from the below the parties, a lot of our our friends in California, it's a lot of it slowed down and then they're having problems finding parties and they keep saying you need to come back to California and it's like we aren’t doing that. we moved from California to Nevada,
it was the Nevada move the next phase of our journey.
What's the next phase?
You've heard of Dennis Hoffs? The Bunny Ranch? Yeah, HBO special they did and everything Yeah. So on a lark you applied there…
At what age?
age 50 It was just over 50 Yeah.
And they accepted. A lot of you there that Tuesday. She I think you applied on Friday or Saturday and they wanted you there Tuesday.
They wanted me there like ASAP.
And you went I went so you took time off work.
took time off work? Cuz you have to go for two weeks.
And in those two weeks you made was about a month and a half salary, wasn't it? Yep.
Which can I ask you how much that is?
$3000 or $4000. At the time.
Yeah, I actually had less sex at the ranch than I did any of our parties. Most of these guys want to talk or they want you to give them a blowjob or a handjob or a foot job. I'm not having that much sex. So
it was easy. It was easy. You'd be surprised a little sex actually goes on at a brothel. It's amazing.
Yeah, it was amazing. So I went back, and I spent the next three years at the love ranch.
she was actually Dennis’ favorite for a little while
to I was Dennis Hoffs favorite for several months right before he died probably about three months before he died.
Wow, our podcast listeners won't be able to see you. You would never look at you and say okay, these these two are out there or they're sex crazed or like you would never think that and do you think that you guys are more representative of swingers more representative of maybe sex workers
I portrayed myself as as a MILF. But people were having problems and I got in trouble for telling people my age, but they saw me as the girl next door. You look like the girl next door. You can't be a MILF. You can't you can't be a courtesan because you look like the girl next door. And so I ran into that issue because I looked sweet and innocent. And so how could I be at the ranch? And I said, you know, here I am.
Yeah, that's right.
You know, I wasn't blingy. Like Air Force Amy and each of the girls has their own niche. You know, you've got the tall, statuesque, sunny sky and you've got all these girls that all have the thing that makes them stand out. And then you've got people like me who I'm just the girl next door,
you'd ask though, whether we're typical for swingers? I don't think so. No, I think we've we've done a little more in the swingers. We found the guys in the lifestyle very courteous. They look out for the women. I mean, they know that having a woman to participate, especially in the gangbang is rare. So they're they're very courteous, they're very respectful. We've had, you know, one or two people, we've had to kick out of the parties
because they misbehave and surprisingly, one of those was a woman. Yes.
The first one was a woman actually.
Yeah. Having gone through all of this. Has it changed the relationship between You two?
Better communication? Yeah, could tell him anything before I can tell him anything even more now. So
it definitely strengthened that. I think she gained some confidence being at the parties, you know, knowing that that she can control the attention of you know, 28 guys, but being at the ranch, she gained a lot more confidence in herself. You know, when you're in there and you're having to negotiate with someone, you're having to be safe. She got a lot more confidence. She got a lot out of being there and she really grew being there. It's weird because society looks down on it so much. But you learn a sense of self worth. You learn a sense of security, you learn confidence.
people listening to this. Also need to know if this is something you wanted to do. We're not talking about women who are forced into anything, right, right. This is something you really wanted to do and for the time that you were there, you enjoyed it. You had your husband's consent and he was fine with it. Because I know I was
I was disappointed. I expected her to come home with these great six stories every night. No, it's pretty boring.
Yeah, he would actually drive me into the mornings and then he would pick me up at night because my they're 12 hour shifts.
Can you walk me through like the process?
So when you first start, you go what we call doctoring and you have to go in and you they make sure that you don't have any venereal diseases. You get blood drawn. You get a swab done. Then you go to the sheriff and you get a background check done if you don't pass the doctor check and the background check. You don't work in the ranch decide even big crimes. It's little things a speeding ticket stuff like that. If you have anything on your record, you can't work in the ranch. It has to be clean the rolls doctor every single week you get swabbed. And so and then once a month, you get swabbed and blood drawn. So every single week, this is done. Then you get and you get a room so every girl has their own room, and then you get a big sister and you get a big sister. Oh, who's that? It's someone that's usually that's been there. I was a big sister to several girls. Anyway. And they kind of walk you through the ins and outs. There are roles dirty hustling is a huge no no.
What’s the dirty hustling?
Dirty hustling is if say you were talking to gentlemen at the bar. I can't go up and talk to that gentleman because
Like like like stealing somebody's like, building up potential clients
and then dirty hustling also and you should talk about the lineup too. But most the houses have a lineup where the girls will come out and present themselves and each house has their own rule.
The only thing that you're allowed to do in Dennis’ house when you do a lineup is to say your name. You can say hello, my name is Catrina and that's it. Oh, you're not allowed to wiggle your butt. You're not allowed to blow a kiss or
there's other houses like the Mustang where you can come up and add a little flair to it. You can go shake their hand but you got to set period of time. So there's rules so the lineup do we explain what the lineup was still like?
So when someone comes to the ranches, he will ring the bell to be let in because there's a six foot high locked fence around the ranch. The bartender or the door person will let them in. Then they ring the bell for the girls to come out. And they we all line up. The gentleman will pick which girl he wants and they very rarely remember the name because there's too many right point
and then at that point, at that point,
you take their arm and you take them on a tour of the ranch and then you take them back to your room and you negotiate
and some of the ranches have set negotiation rooms so you're doing it you're
right. You find out what they want. And then you negotiate a price.
So let me ask you, is there like a menu or is each girl negotiating her own price with
That's what's nice about Dennis's houses is you they're given free reign, they can negotiate whatever price they want, I should say Suzette's house is now yes, he's out whatever prices they want, whatever services they want. Some of the other houses do have kind of a suggested menu, right? of you know, the house minimums, that sort of thing.
And outdate if a gentleman wants to take you out of the ranch, so it has a minimum amount but it also has a minimum amount of time and that allows them to take you outside of the ranch.
There's a range of offerings and a range of prices right?
But if they take you outside of the ranch, then the house mom will take down all of the information. The license plate number those making model of the car, the the they take down all the information you can basically make sure that you're going to be safe. You can also do an overnight, which also what about a normal party, a normal party is done inside the house they can do in your room, or they can do in the VIP suite, the VIP suites are more because it's they usually have Jacuzzi tubs and their fancier rooms, negotiate a price and you negotiate a price and then you go back to what we call the the hooker Booker. Which is which is just the cashier's cage and the gentleman pays for his time and then they give you a sheet and towels and you cover your bed with it. You cover the
bed. What else do you do before you start? Oh, did you say
we have to do a DC which is a dick check.
Oh and what do you what are you checking for?
You're checking for so what you do is you take a baby wipe and you put rubbing alcohol on it.
And now you just give away secrets. Yeah, I know you're checking for any type of open sores or any type of problems that
might but if you have rubbing alcohol on a baby wipe and you rub it on their penis and it hits an open sore it's gonna burn Oh, and they're gonna react and tell them I'm sorry you're not. You're not safe. You're not safe so you can turn them away.
Uh huh. Do different houses take a different cut of the pay
That's pretty standard to house takes 50% Okay, there's usually and this will vary by house. There's a room fee. So I think it was $31 a night for the room. So she's paying $31 a night for her room, plus 50% of any cut. Now, most of the houses if the girls have a certain monetary value, the room is comped. So you can't give amounts Okay,
So if you make over a certain amount, then you don't pay room and board that night. Yeah.
Oh, I see. The process sounds very regulated. Right? It is and there's a lot of safety involved. So very, very interesting. You know, taking away the politics of any workplace. Right. Would you ever go back to doing something like that?
I don't I don't know. Um,
were you enjoying the sex that you were having?
Sometimes? I was I was enjoying most of it. Yeah.
You know, you would ask about whether we think we're normal for swingers and we said we're a little out there for swingers. For prostitutes, we are way out there. It is amazing how I don't want to say prudish that is quite the right word. But how vanilla a lot of the prostitutes are Hmm you know, some of them would never consider bisexual they never consider being a woman although that's becoming more and more common there. They wouldn't consider the parties
and even though we even though the ranches get couples and they get females that come in they will charge extra for that because they don't want to be with a woman or a lot of the girls at the ranches don't like sex. And so to them, it is essentially work. Right? And I don't understand how they can do that work unless you just you know, it's like everybody else. It's just a job. Right and that's why I did it because I was enjoying it. It was fun. And you know, when it stopped being fun, I stopped doing it.
Thanks Katrina and John for the insider's look at a Nevada brothel. They actually also had video and pictures to share which you can see when this goes onto my youtube channel youtube.com/leynanguyenTV. All right, next time on consenting adults, something happens while on vacation and Cancun changed their sex lives forever.
If you were to read all the erections I've ever had, that would be probably one of the hardest, I guess.
So, like 20 On a scale of 10 Yes, on the erection scale, right. That's next time on consenting adults.
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