Ep 67 Full Tilt Cuckold

​Ciren Virde tried swinging with her husband but found too many rules. So she breaks all the conventional ones in what she describes as a "full tilt" cuckold marriage. She enjoys degrading and humiliating her cuck, who is submissive to her and whoever she's with. Ciren is "out" and wants to put a face on this misunderstood lifestyle.

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EP 066 Full Tilt Cuckold.
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Leyna 0:02
Did you know he was bisexual? When when when you first got together?

Leyna 0:07
That's a no, no.

Guest 0:11
It was within the second meeting that he opened up hey, do you want to, you know, do a strap on with me and I was 18 When I first met him, so I was like, Oh, okay.

Guest 0:22
Sure.

Guest 0:24
Yeah, I'm fine if I, you know, let him suck my dick and I'm like, great. Would you be down to fuck him too and then they're like, you're not even a man. You're a sissy bitch. You can't please me. You should just be in your cage. You shouldn't even be allowed to cum if you do cum you should have to eat it or put it in the toilet because it's worthless. We had to find big enough cages for him. And sometimes he'll pop out of like, Oh, hold on. Women who are strictly lesbian don't really want to have anything to do with me because yes, 

Leyna 0:58
Gosh, darn it, you'd like men.

Leyna 1:02
Get ready. This is consenting adults. 

(Podcast Show Open)

Leyna 1:40
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Leyna 2:07
My guest today is the beautiful Ciren Virde. She's 31 years old. Her husband is 50 she's bisexual. He's bisexual. This is going to be a fun episode. They started their relationship open You know how some couples after 35 years of marriage start to open up their relationship. They started with an open relationship but it has evolved into cuckolding. This is going to be a really fun conversation. Hey, Ciren, thanks so much for being on the show today and sharing your story. And also thank you for being this open about something that I think is still very misunderstood. And there are a lot of people who are judging out there. Right. 

Guest 2:50
Absolutely. And thanks for having me. It's great to open up these conversations. It seems like there's misinformation and there seems to be somewhat of a taboo style around what we do as our life. 

Leyna 2:59
Have you been married before? Is this your first marriage? 

Guest 3:03
No, this is my second okay. 

Leyna 3:05
Is it also his Second? 

Guest 3:06
Third? Okay. If there is like a well because there was a married the second woman twice kind of things so 

Leyna 3:17
Oh, okay. I have a friend who did that. And I'm still trying to figure out if she considers it just being married once or because they had actually divorced if this is now the second marriage so you've had a little experience right with with relationships that didn't work out. Did you know he was bisexual when when when you first got together?

Leyna 3:36
That's a no, no.

Guest 3:39
It was within the second meeting that he opened up. Hey, do you want to you know, do a strap on with me and I was 18 when they first met him. So I was like, Oh, okay.

Leyna 3:50
Sure. Well wait a second, though. Don't some men enjoy pegging? The who aren't bisexual? 

Guest 3:58
I would say yes. But I personally have not really come across those who aren't open to being one with another man. So I'm not going to say that that doesn't exist. I just haven't come across those 

Leyna 4:09
Okay, so it's your belief that if a man enjoys that then he's probably got some bisexual tendencies. 

Guest 4:16
Yeah, spectrum. 

Leyna 4:17
Yes, we love that word spectrum. And we're trying to cover the whole thing. So it sounds then that you know you guys met in kind of a really cool open kind of way and right away started sharing. Then it kind of got into cuckolding. I mean, was there anything in between was there was there swinging? Or were you just like open marriage where you were just non monogamous but not really doing stuff together? 

Guest 4:47
I always get kind of tripped up with this because the swinging aspect I've tried with him in terms of getting on sites like AFF adult friend finder and meeting other couples, and it just never really fit with our dynamic. I don't. 

Leyna 5:00
What about it does it fit with you guys? 

Guest 5:02
Part of it is I just don't understand the other boundaries that go up like, oh, we need to be in a group text or we already had all have to play in the same room and all that stuff. I'm like, Look, I'm not trying to take your guy. There's going to be open conversations. But what I found in trying to deal with those situations is it seems like someone else has an ulterior motive of they're trying to keep something from their partner, and I don't do well with that. But I also don't know how to navigate for both of them to be like, Look, I don't want to have all these conversations. I'm not in a relationship with you. I'm in a relationship with him. Did you want to add, let's just play.

Leyna 5:40
Okay, so then describe to me your play style. So you know, let's let's push cuckolding aside for a second. Yeah, but what what was your play style? What did you guys like to do? 

Guest 5:47
We would do some couples in the same room, but our biggest thing was he would find me other men and whether or not he would watch or I would go out with them, and maybe call him while I'm you know, in the act or, you know, tell them about it after on my way home or text him goodnight and then wake up in the morning and send them a picture or something like that. So that was kind of our thing. And even when we stayed in contact because we actually stayed in contact when I was married to my first husband because I moved away for about six years. And while I was married to that one, we got back in contact and he found me someone on Craigslist while I was still living up there that I met and we had a whole cuckolding thing from a distance. 

Leyna 6:33
You and your current husband? yes and this was going on while you were married to your first husband. 

Guest 6:35
Yes.

Leyna 6:41
Okay, I'm kind of getting all the pieces of the puzzle now. So really, even at the beginning, there was some cuckold area dynamic. Right?

Leyna 6:50
Oh, how long have you been doing this now? 

Guest 6:52
Full on seven years 

Leyna 6:54
Okay. Has it changed? Like you know, we're talking about just being on that spectrum. Sometimes there's an I I describe it as cuckold light, you know, where, where there's no like a humiliation. There's there's none of this stuff that the vanilla public normally thinks of because they've probably seen it in porn or whatever. And then there's the other side where there are people who get off on the humiliation and degradation and stuff. Where is he now? 

Guest 7:23
We’ve basically been full tilt from the get go. Oh, the only part that's really developed and phased out. It's really like the swinging portion. And that's why we've ended up sort of going into just content because trying to find a happy medium of the general public who understands what we do and is open with what we do. It was so few and far between they were like well we were full tilt. And now we're like let's show the world we're full tilt and try and open up other people to be like this is normal as a hardware to ever throw into this.

Guest 7:59
But knowing that it's okay, it's accepted, have conversations, and I've been really fortunate to meet people along the way of us been in the swinging world people who navigate open relationships and have really great conversations about them. And I've sort of just picked up information from there and implemented it as as I saw fit with into my life. 

Leyna 8:20
So that's why your your openness that's why we're doing a video interview. You really seriously want to put a face to this kind of lifestyle because, well one you're beautiful, but you don't look like you have a third tail (third tail?) you because I think people who aren't familiar just think that oh, what kind of weirdos are out there? Like they wouldn't know if they met you in the grocery store right that you do these things are a little bit different. So your husband enjoys can can you explain more what your husband enjoys because on the cuckold light it's the watching the wife you know, knowing she's with someone else, maybe hearing about it and then comes the pictures in the video and what is your husband into?

Guest 9:06
Perfect world if everybody was good with what we enjoyed. He would love to be able to be there and participate all the way full on into cleanup and participating and you know being degraded by both me and the person that I'm with and made to do whatever we tell them to do kind of thing

Leyna 9:27
But like what I mean like like go make me a sponge cake do or something else?

Guest 9:32
Get water or suck my dick or take my dick or you know let us both use you kind of thing like I enjoy watching him be used as well and being penetrated like Oh, favorite thing ever. 

Leyna 9:47
Really?

Guest 9:48
it is but within again (Leyna “butt”lol) these very interesting worlds of so we do the content, but the people who do the content don't really want to cross over into that world of being seen doing stuff like that. And so then we then have to cross back over into the you know, World of lifestyle people who are like, you have to open them up a little bit. You're like, Yeah, I'm fine if I you know, let him suck my dick and I'm like, great. Would you be down to fuck him too? And then they're like, Oh, it's this, this very interesting world that that's why I say in a perfect world because it's not something that we get very often it's more about what I get to do and what my partner's ended up being comfortable with his participation. So they might not want him to watch and so we closed the doors and he gets to listen and and of course when we're filming, he gets to be in the room but he has to be in a different mindset to make sure that everything that we're doing gets caught so then he ends up not even watching porn anymore. He gets to watch all of my stuff, right? Which is perfect. 

Leyna 10:50
Yeah. Okay. So when you're talking about he enjoys being degraded. What does that mean? And many examples. 

Guest 11:00
Yes. So, all the way down to you're not even a man you're a sissy bitch. You can't please me. You should just be in your cage. You shouldn't even be allowed to cum if you do cum you should have to eat it or put it in the toilet because it's worthless, like a whole realm of just whatever, whatever comes to but there's really nothing I can't say that he's not okay with it 

Leyna 11:21
And you seem so sweet.

Guest 11:26
I'm just as sweet as I am mean.

Leyna 11:30
Okay, so then I assume he is into chastity? 

Guest 11:34
Yes, we just don't do it all that often because it ends up he's on the larger scale of size, I guess so. It's kind of funny when we had to find big enough cages for him and sometimes he'll pop out of like, 

Leyna 11:52
Oh, hold on. What kind of cages are you? Because I’ve seen the metal ones



Guest 11:55
We have metal ones? And those ones are fine. And those ones hold him in there. But it just ends up being this extra step that I'm very much in the moment. I like the flow. So that means I have to like go run and get it and be like Go put your cage on and if he's already hard, then you know that 

Leyna 12:15
Oh yeah. No, no, no can do.

Leyna 12:20
Okay, so a little bit of chastity. So it's kind of hard to humiliate him if if he's well endowed right? I mean, you you would have to look long and hard to find someone who’s bigger than, him right?

Guest 12:31
Yeah, I ended up having to search for eight and above and that's my preference. I mean, I’m a known size queen, but but it is entertaining when then we introduce other women into the mix and I have friends who do not have my preferences. So then they think he's big and I just laugh and he loves that he loves that, you know, degrading factor. Of I'm not even big enough for you And yet for other women. They don't even want to play because they're like your too bigs. 

Leyna 13:01
Wow, he just can't do it for anybody. You tell him I said that.

Leyna 13:09
So what about you and other women so you're bisexual? Yes. Does he get anything out of that, that you're with other women? Or is it just guys? 

Guest 13:16
It No, no he likes really anything and it's so hard. I don't know. My sort of generation is crossing over that like bisexual, pansexual, demisexual. There's all of these like new terms and only within the last couple of years Am I sort of exploring that because I've also been with trans and have my own attraction to them. But really for him and me with other women. It's all about my enjoyment. He wants to see me enjoy the experience. With someone else. And I'm super picky with women. So that's that's been that's been tricky.

Leyna 13:53
I'm hearing I'm hearing from bisexual women it has actually so hard for them to find other women. When you say you're picky. What are you looking for? What Why are you so picky? 

Guest 13:58
I like to be friends with the people that I play with. So if I don't really agree with people's lifestyles or their maybe other partner or because most of the time women who are bisexual either have another partner women who are strictly lesbian don't really want to have anything to do with me because 

Leyna 14:18
Because gosh darn it you like men!

Guest 14:21
So it doesn't have to be my body type my the one that woman that I'm closest to right now we have very similar body types. We're very into fitness we both don't smoke. We drink a little bit but I'm we're not party type people. So trying to find people who are open with their sexuality have their life relatively together. Don't smoke. It really narrows down into this tiny little category of people that I'm like, Yeah, 

Leyna 14:53
You’re almost like looking for perfection. You're looking for that right the perfect girl. 

Guest 14:55
Yeah. which like I said, I've I've gotten close and we get to see each other when we see each other but it's few and far between because of geographical location and work schedules and right 

Leyna 15:07
In your relationship with your husband does the sex and all the stuff that you're able to do now does it affect kind of like the intimacy the romance part the feelings and emotions part for you guys?

Guest 15:24
No, like everything we've done has ultimately brought us closer together and 

Leyna 15:27
So it does affect, it makes it better. 

Guest 15:29
Yes, it does. And because I travel and I have other partners and I have free range to go and spend the night with them or travel with them. We text a little bit when I'm gone and have a few phone calls but when I come home he just he misses me so much and when I get home even though we sexted a bunch and he goes I just want to sit on the couch and watch TV with you. This is my favorite part of our life that we just get to be near one another. 

Leyna 15:56
And that's something you don't have with other people, right? That's what you learn. 

Guest 16:00
It’s also the acceptance of everything that I do without feeling judged behind all of it and knowing that someone has my back in all of this like they're all the people that I'm with know what I do know about one another. But I've never felt that same level of commitment and support that I have from him. 

Leyna 16:19
How long into your relationship did you start producing this content meaning it now it's a business now you're really putting it all out there and you're introducing it to other people? When did that come up? 

Guest 16:32
I mean, he started filming me with people from day one that was never not a thing. And it's only been within the last two and a half years that we started doing it as a business.

Leyna 16:45
Who's watching who's getting into this Are they are they all weirdos or all or do you know if it's you know, maybe like the closet weirdos. 

Guest 16:59
A lot of people have come to me that are married and want to figure out how to open their wives up to this or are married but don't really have the ability to be this open with their partner. And I do my best regardless of it effecting my business. I'm like, tell your wife, like maybe bring her if you can, but like, Please tell your wife this is gonna do you This is gonna make you have a happier life if you share this with your partner and if they don't want that in you then you know I'm happy to be here for you and have an outlet but I found that the honesty that I have in my life has made the experience that much more enjoyable. 

Leyna 17:37
You know, I get a lot of messages from both men and women who like are really interested but because you know how but there's that stigma and because they haven't talked to their partner so they feel kind of ashamed that this is a desire that they have. How do you suggest they, you know, approach their partner like how do you even start and not blow up your whole marriage because you really don't know how they're gonna react? Like what is the best thing to do? Do you listen to podcasts? Do you you know, show him a video do you kind of or her?

Guests 18:14
Podcasts are good. I know that my husband and I will watch movies that have little things thrown in there. I'm trying to think there was one with I think it was Melissa McCarthy that she was out and there, man it's gonna come to me later but having your partner watch those things with you and check the reaction and then just throw things in there whether it be porn, whether it be books, I love erotic literature, that's very much the mental thing is something that I love and throwing little breadcrumbs and seeing if they take it or don't and throwing something in dirty talk or being out with your partner and you're like, oh, yeah, look at that guy or Ooh, look at that girl, you know, like trying to gauge their reaction. Part of that takes reading your partner I've found within my relationships, not everybody can read the body language or the reactions. So that's why the conversation is is super important to have. 

Leyna 19:08
And then lastly, I just want to ask you what is your favorite? Like if you know we were talking before, like, in a perfect world, what your husband would like? Like perfect setting, perfect date, perfect everything. What would your thing be? 

Guest 19:21
Oh, man. Honestly, we've talked about this a lot. I wish that we could have a male and a female that lived locally, not with us because we found the dynamic of hosting people that we like our space but having people that were nearby that we could see frequently and enjoy life together. That would you know, whether it be sexually or just on a friendship basis. That's kind of where we're at everything we do is is a blend, it's not just you know what we do to make money on this is genuinely showing you an insight into our life. This is what we love. 

Leyna 20:01
Okay, and for people who are going to be watching this with the video.
What is this contraption you have behind you?
What the heck is going on? Are you camping indoors? 

Guest 20:13
No. So I have done yoga most of my life and I taught aerial yoga for a while so Oh, this silk is tied up because I'll do you stuff down on the floor but I love stretching in it and doing yoga and having sex and there's a few videos out there of me using it. For sex. Oh!  yeah, good stuff.

Leyna: You can find Ciren at CirenV.com. alright, next time, on Consenting Adults--you've seen him in different roles including the Scream franchise and one of my favorite shows, the Jamie Kennedy Experiment. But did Jamie Kennedy ever experiment?
Threesomes?  Yeah, Possibly. Foursomes? (inaudible) let's see...i think so. 
Jamie Kennedy, next time, on Consenting Adults.