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Ep 26 Naughty Mormons Part 1
Hold tight ... This is part 1 of a sizzling interview too hot for just one episode.
This married couple found the light in their relationship after leaving the Mormon church. Discovering a new world, Adam and Belle left their traditional sexy-time norms and welcomed one filled with kink, bondage, fisting, and mind-blowing orgasms.
EP 26 – Naughty Mormons Pt. 1
What did you guys consider kinky What did you do that you thought was, well, this is where we're. How do you weren't getting kinky now
bondage, like impact play. Angel was kind of off the table, as far as the church goes, and we discovered all these things that it felt good to be blindfolded and have the sensory deprivation, was eye opening, you're like, Oh wow, I've, I've never experienced an orgasm, quite like that. And then you want more, but you almost have to keep upping the ante to keep achieving those, mind blowing orgasms, isn't that part of what the church is saying is that it's just it's gonna turn you bad, that if you do something, it's gonna make you want more and it's going to get, quote, worse, right, well I mean you could say that they're right, pretty much told you you should not masturbate that's bad. Right. Correct, yeah, okay, but as a growing teenager with raging hormones, or, or did they control your hormones too.
Well, I did. I'm, I'm really self-disciplined in everything I do so I just, I developed ..but wait a second, and I just have to get graphic, but what, you know, what if, what if you have like a raging erection, do what do you do use. You wouldn't touch it. What did you do. Thankfully we got married really young, she's like well what about d v, which is double vaginal penetration. Oh, this guy with this horse? Yeah, Sure. I said, we can try, because he had Adam had fisted before…omg you guys!
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Leyna: My guest today are a really sexy couple I wish this was a video, although if this was a video they wouldn't do the interview because, although they're very open about sharing their experiences in the lifestyle, they're not out. Adam is 40 He's a pilot. Very handsome. Belle is 42, she's a writer. Beautiful. You guys should be like the poster children for swingers and then everyone get into it. They've been married 17 years in the lifestyle for two years, three kids, you know, teenage years, and they both grew up Mormon, and now they're swingers. That's the best part of all this. Okay you guys, let's get into this, Adam and Belle have a podcast that kind of documents, their experience in the lifestyle, and we'll tell you how to find them at the end of the episode but you talk about growing up in the church and being, you know, taught these things so you guys are kind of would you call yourselves kind of late bloomers?
Guest: Sexually, I wouldn't say that I'm a late bloomer, I would definitely describe Adam that way. I think that was kind of the drive to get into the lifestyle, maybe because I did not save myself for marriage, as per the tradition is more of a culture, you could say I was promiscuous, I broke the law of chastity.
Leyna: How dare you.
Guest: I know. Adam however, was a pretty good boy. I mean he wasn't a virgin when we got married, but he definitely didn't have a whole lot of experience. And, you know, being married to the same person, years and years. It can get stale or boring or, I mean really, you just kind of outgrow what you've been doing. And there's so many things within the church, I mean it kind of depends on who you talk to, but a lot of teachings frown on oral, they frown on anal, they frown on basically anything besides vanilla sex between a married couple. And I don't know about you but there's only so much vanilla sex that I could have that continued to be pleasing.
Leyna: Right, but you guys have been married 17 years but in the lifestyle for only two years so I mean, you pretty much did vanilla for, well, I take that back. You did whatever but only with each other for, you know 15 of those years, right, right, right. So how did I mean what, what caused the, oh, maybe there's something else out there that we can do?
Guest: 50 Shades of Grey.
Guest: I mean, pretty much.
So I was commuting to New York for my job, and the bedroom was getting a little bit still, it was the same routine over and over, and some of my flight attendants were reading 50 Shades of Grey. And, of course, I questioned it they blush. Well I bought the book at the bookstore, and read it on the way home,
and then he gave it to me and we proceeded to have a really fun book club. That was kind of the, the gateway drug into Anything other than vanilla sex,
right, but there was a lot of shame involved in, just going that far. We were living in Utah at the time and to hear everyone talking about it, I mean you'd hear it over the pulpit, from people about how it was pornography and that it was evil and really we kind of used the book as an instruction manual, a how to and we, you know explored with each other but it was kind of later with a little bit of, is this still okay. We still had a vanilla vibe mindset, even though we were kind of preaching that line,
Leyna: But it was still just with you guys right just you two yep still just us. So, is there I mean are we talking about like tying each other up or
Guest: Yeah, tying each other up I mean was pretty like BDSM. I don't know if you've ever read the books or seen the movies but.
Leyna: Well, here's the thing about me I know a lot of so many of my friends have I just heard that. I heard that wasn't written well and I'm such a, like I didn't think I could really stand it if it wasn't written well,
Guest: Well then you probably won't be able to stand it.
Leyna: Right and so that I never read it, but I hear, being brought up all the time as the thing that got people to experiment, because, you know, seeing it up on the screen and people are talking about it made people feel like it was okay to maybe experiment a little, I mean Yeah, and so that's what happened with you guys.
Guest: Well yeah and we continue to have those exploratory kind of aha, or oh look, liquids out there I mean our, I would say our kink level is pretty, you know, low, we actually haven't peek through the door very far within as far as Kinkos, I mean there's everything that you can add,
Leyna: What did you guys consider kinky What did you do that you thought was, well, this is where we're how you weren't getting kinky now
Guest: bondage, like impact play anal was kind of off the table and as far as the church goes right, I mean that's, that was pretty bad. So we went into the, the anal category. And we discovered all these things that felt good to be blindfolded and have the sensory deprivation was eye opening,
so many layers to it too. I mean, you try something once, and you're like, Oh wow, I've, I've never experienced an orgasm quite like that. And then you want more, but you almost have to keep upping the ante to keep achieving those mind-blowing orgasms so it kind of promotes you to keep searching.
Leyna: Isn't that part of what the church is saying is that it's just it's gonna turn you bad, that if you do something, it's gonna make you want more and it's going to get, quote, worse, right,
Guest: well I mean you could say that they're right. I mean, that's why they want you to, to be chaste and moral is because once you start down that path, I made it is a very enticing made fun of. Our relationship has been more fulfilled, not just sexually but our interpersonal relationship with our, our kids and everything we're, we're less judgmental, we're more open to things that are different. I would say that I have gone politically completely conservative on what I would say was okay between two people to almost complete. You know what at where I'm like well, as long as between consenting adults, then everything's game.
Leyna: That would be a great name for a podcast!
Guest: It would be, which was the hook, when, when Adam said, there's this new podcast you should listen to it and it is like it's called consenting adults was like, Yep, that sounds like it's right up my alley.
Leyna: How do you get from the stuff that you do only with each other behind closed doors to adding other people, I mean what, how do you get there.
Guest: We started fantasizing about it. I have this best friend that she's still my, my good friend, but I always joked that if our marriages didn't work out, we just run away be lesbians together. So I was always, when we moved back in the area where she lived, He was always kind of teasing me about fulfilling that pledge, and how, because it really have to be divorced for so often, which was he just like a best friend and you made that joke or did you find her kind of hot.
Well so, oddly enough, her mother had taken her to a swingers club in Las Vegas when she was a young teenager, so she had told me all the stories and just jaw dropping things to me and, and I was very, very morbid at that point, I took the information in silent just silently judged her, and then went along by way but it's always hanging out there the back of your mind. And yes, she's very hot, and I've seen her breasts before and you know we've gotten drunk in Vegas body shots and all that kind of stuff that kind of leads to like fondling but nothing, nothing serious. City. Sin City, every day is in Vegas. Yeah, right. So we, so we started fantasizing about adding her into our sex play as we were having sex, and you know that was hot, it was hot to fantasize about having, you know, a third person there and we would describe to each other, which positions we would do and, you know, just different scenarios, and just the visual, and the dirty talk that you're able to achieve that fueled our sex for a while, actually. So when we moved here, we kind of had a falling out with the church, my heart just wasn't in it, it was making me very unhappy. And I was just feeling very condemned very depressed, and very much just feeling like I was in the wrong place. So, I stopped going to church, Adam, follow me. I didn't ask him to stop but you know he stopped going to church as well and waste, I started feeling this sense of normalcy again. Then Adam took a college course that really delve into the origins of monogamy,
it kind of opened your mind into okay this is the origins of marriage and monogamy, and religious control. And then, Ashley Madison. And because we were in that mindset, we sat up in our kitchen, and had a conversation about humans, and are we really supposed to be monogamous,
well we couldn't really believe the sheer volume of people that got caught in that Ashley Madison scandal, right, and then you felt them and something because some of them are notable people, yeah, yeah and more real, right, right, lots of other LDS people, and we were just kind of a little stunned, but because we had stopped being very judgmental, in the years of since leaving the church where our hearts and our minds were just more open to accepting people who decide that that's right for them. and so we had some just really honest conversations about it, that ended up being really hot.
Now when we say it was straight laced. Growing up, I didn't even have a drink of alcohol till I was 35 Yeah. Wow, I was, I was a straight of an arrow. As you can get the Mormon church really hits on young men with no masturbating. So you didn't. Yeah, so I did. I was always straight laced, and I found myself being really just uptight and actually a little bit pissed off that I missed out on all the college years of party.
Leyna: I have to ask you, they pretty much told you you should not masturbate that's bad. Right. Correct, yeah, okay, but as a growing teenager with raging hormones, or, or did they control your hormones too?
Guest: I'm really self disciplined in everything I do so I just, I developed
Leyna: Well wait a second and I'm just gonna have to get graphic, but what if, you know, what if, what if you have like a raging erection, Do what do you do use. You wouldn't touch it. What did you do.
Guest: Yeah honey what did you do? Thankfully we got married really young.
Leyna: I mean so you, so you did not, you did not masturbate,
Guest: try that once Come on I didn't, I mean I tried a few times. Yes,
and he felt ridiculous, I felt even when we were married and Belle's like hey I want to see you masturbate. I just felt ridiculous, and it doesn't even sound sexy when you say it like that. Yeah so it felt awkward right yeah, of course, yes.
Leyna: Okay, so it sounds like you grew up at least so straight and so square and I don't, I don't mean that in a derogatory way, but you grew up that way, so that these fantasies actually kind of held you through that time, like for most people, fantasizing for six years. Sounds like a but it just doesn't sound like it would be enough right for you guys, right, it was different enough that it kept you satisfied for that for that long.
Guest: Yeah, I mean, this still wears off, no matter everything that you try it seems like eventually, you need something a little bit more.
Oh my god, I can't wait to see you guys in like five years. So, okay so let's get let's get to the good part. So if you've done all this fantasizing it's been over six years. How did you go about like jumping in, I know that you went on some websites like everybody does right everyone who wants to go into the lifestyle they start checking out all these websites, yeah. Did you meet people on there.
Adam actually found a house party, although we didn't know it was a house party because we didn't know there was such thing. It revealed itself as a club. He sent an email to the hosts and was like Hey, we were thinking about coming to your party, do you have, you know, is there room, and you have to send in your height, weight, at a picture of the two of you, to see if you can gain access to this club. So we did and they immediately responded with you're in. I mean driving up your car like this feels awkward. This is obviously not a club like we were thinking about when you go to a club or a bar that has a dance face, it was a house, and it was a very old house. It was very awkward to be in that space, with people who were half naked.
Leyna: Yeah, and can you walk me through it like you go to the house, I mean do you knock at the door is the door open, what do you see,
Guest: they had a folding table setup with. I kid you not, a paper plate of defrosted shrimp, sitting on ice, that is in a tin foil pie. And I was like, not your speed right right. I was like what I'm going to try not to swear because I don't know you can. Okay, I was like, What the fuck did we walk into.
Guest: The host was not really in our category of attractive, or in our age bracket, but very kind and welcoming, and that was about as warm as we felt the whole time we were there, we walk into the rest of the house you walk right into the kitchen. There were, there's a kitchen island and there's a couple, there's some couples six standing around it already, and the lady's like cross their arms over their chest and look me up and down like girl. No, I was like, Hey, baby. I was, I was, I didn't stop shaking the whole time or there it was. That sounds awful. It was very awful we toured the house, it was very old and not remodeled had very long shag carpet in the basement that, oh no, I mean the mattresses were on the floor, there didn't look like there was a vacuum that had run along the edges in the last decade. I was, I'm, I have a deep clean person. I could not imagine taking my shoes off in that basement, let alone be naked. It was horrific.
One of the things that couples fear when getting into the lifestyle is the stereotypical
Leyna: I was gonna say you are describing what most people not in the lifestyle thinks swingers parties are like, right?
Guest: right, we need to say that if that is not how the lifestyle is at all. We just picked really unluckily,
Right. Well, so we have since learned after going out on a date with couples, instead of just going straight to a party, that you should not go to a house party that you don't know somebody who's going who can't vouch for what you're walking into. For those reasons that we've heard some pretty good horror stories about house parties in general and so we just kind of have that mantra, we just don't go into an unknown house party.
Leyna: So why did that that didn't turn you off to the whole idea that didn't freak you out,
Guest: it did for two years.
Oh my goodness.
So, I was getting looked up and down by a single guy who was making me very uncomfortable and I mean no one was approaching us to talk, we were too terrified to talk to anybody else. And I just looked at him and I was like I want to go. I want to leave. So we left we went back to the hotel. Adam had already taken some swingers insurance which we unwittingly, we didn't know that that was fingers insurance. We just started using it.
Leyna: What, wait, I've never heard of this before.
Guest: You've never heard of the little blue pill.
Leyna: Oh you guys see that elsewhere I am I'm like wait a second, they sell swingers insurance. Okay. So you took swingers insurance are you are you like walking around now with
a hard on.
Guest: No, that's that's not how it works exactly but it was. He was hard because he had porn on a big screen and there's all these half naked ladies, you know, He's interested, somewhat more than I am. But, you know we have, we had some rules going in that if one of us wanted to pull the plug, we would leave, and, and so we did, we left we went back to the hotel and we pretty much I got drunk and we just fucked. the rest of the night until we passed out.
You forgot the part where we stopped at a sex store.
Oh that's right. We found a sex shop popped in there and got some toys, a different, like, what do you call clock sleeves. Yeah we got like of cock ring and sleeves and I think it's a whole bunch of random stuff.
Leyna: Yeah, what’s a cock sleeve,
Guest: is this a sleeve that's textured that you can put over your erect penis. That makes it more girthy or more textured or whatever you can get them to have that are basically a penis extension, or you can get them that just go over. So the tip of your penis has headings is sticking out but it is over the your shaft, basically.
And that was exactly the second time we'd ever been in an adult toy store. So we were walking around going, Well hey, let's try this.
And it was a Shady. Shady establishment.
Leyna: You guys are striking out
Guest: We struck out that first night. Yeah, so that's why it took us two years to even decide to try again. We didn't know how to really start a conversation with another couple for the purpose of dating. We just kind of had to fumble our way through it, we finally decided to meet a couple for dinner, and they were really lovely people. We liked them. We were just very terrified of taking that next step, like they were highway proportionate. They were intelligent, nice people, they were very interesting, but they weren't like similar we were, we were like, yes, we want to get together and play with you. It was just kind of, uh, you know, it would have been a, what do you call it a scarcity mindset. But I mean we didn't even know it was the scarcity mindset that but it just would have been a baptism by immersion. We're just doing anyway.
Leyna: Okay so that's Strike two.
Guest: That was strike right. Strike two. Yep. And we didn't do anything else for probably six months. And then we went to a club, a local swingers club an actual club, and met a couple that started talking to us about a threesome, that they'd had. And that was the first time we were like refocused on, you can just have a threesome, you don't have to complete the swap. And that really piqued our curiosity some more I felt a little bit more comfortable with the threesome idea, but I really worried how Adam would react to it. I didn't trust that he would react well, I didn't trust myself that I wouldn't get caught up in it, and that because I've, Leyna: Wait are you thinking, like with another man are you thinking with another woman.
Guest: Well obviously always thinking about two penises, obviously, is not obvious, right now, I mean, I would say that I have gone from being completely straight to being bisexual to being more of a bi curious person. I love playing with other females in the process of having sex but it's not something that turns me on, so that I focus on it.
Leyna: It’s a slippery slope, Belle, it's a slippery slope. Okay Adam, What did you think about threesomes.
Guest: At that point,
I was the one that did the shopping and found the Mel, that kind of fit her Belle for someone that she would want to have a threesome with. And so I set up a meet and greet, or dinner with him. And we went, Yeah,
Leyna: hold on before, before you describe the meeting and how that went. helped me understand how a man who grew up like not even touching himself was okay with the idea of bringing another man into the bedroom, and sharing your wife with him.
Guest: It was a product of fantasies, for years for 6, 7, 8 years at this point, we had talked about another Mel, we had talked about threesomes, so I, I had told her in the, in the course of having sex, that I would love to see her fucked by another man. Yeah. And so that was really my, I was an after this to just sleep with other women. You know I wasn't using the lifestyle that to go sleep around at work or do anything like that, because there's always plenty of opportunity for me to do that. It was about watching her, receive pleasure from someone else.
Leyna: Okay, so you set up a date with a single male,
Guest: he was very young. That was the most uncomfortable part for me was his youth. I mean he was an adult, but for me, I was like oh my gosh I have kids who are closer to your age than you are to mine, and it was a little nerve wracking, and I was worried that, like, I've had three kids, Man, are you going to be of like I'm worried that you're not going to be turned on by this post baby mom bod. And he was like, oh I love I love older women. I love married women and and kudos to him, you would not guess that he was 25, during the experience, he was just, for lack of a better word of professional, he knew what he was doing Hmm, so he had been in a relationship with another couple or with a girlfriend who brought other people into their bedroom so from a young age, he had been non monogamous, and so he was just kind of very natural. Yeah,
Leyna: good looking?
Guest: Yes, attractive, very tall, that was kind of my, the thing that really roped me in is, I'm a sucker for heights, Love tall guys and Adam is only 5’10
Leyna: I still love you, Adam.
Guest: I love him too, but as a tall woman when I put on heels. I tower over Adam just tall. And so, being with somebody who is very tall, is just part of that fantasy fulfillment. It's very, it's just different,
Leyna: I get it, I get it.
Guest: Yeah, so when I'm experiencing other men I like to experience different, because I like my experience I have with Adam, I want to see what else is out there to partake of, and just see how I like it. So I like the tall guys. He had a very generous appendage, which was very. Leyna: You're so proper, Belle.
Guest: I know if that is my upbringing, I still struggle to say penis and cock.
Leyna: Okay. How did you know he had a , um,
Leyna: Oh, so you already knew he was well endowed., even before you met him,
Guest: well that's kind of how he advertised herself, yeah I was gonna say
is I can't say his actual screen names but it was like Monster dick.
Well, I mean, there's a reason why there's an average penis size is most men are average, there you don't find a ton of men who are well above average, I would say that the range is always average to below. So, right, you know, guys who are very proud of themselves will kind of lead with that,
Leyna: I'm assuming you guys played,
Guest: we did. So I wasn't necessarily sold on playing with him. Adam was kind of like come on we just got to do this, he's like just rip the band aid off let's do it. And I was so nervous, I, my heart was in my throat. I have some anxiety issues so I was getting like the black cloudy vision.
Leyna: Oh my gosh.
Guest: And I really needed Adam for that extra push. So we did, we went stopped by the pharmacy and got some extra large condoms and straight to the hotel. He met us there, I had some little nips of alcohol in my purse. I needed some liquid courage so I pounded one of those, and he knocked on the door. Yeah, we let him in, and we chitchat, very briefly, and then went got straight to business. Yeah, it was, it was a pretty exhilarating experience, I felt really comfortable with it, almost immediately. Adam was like damn baby look like you've done that before.
Leyna: Okay, well, wait
a second. Adam, you're gonna need to describe to me how this started because you guys are complete newbies. Okay, you're in this hotel room, the young man walks in you chitchat for a little bit but then how do you get things started,
who made the first move?
Guest: He asked to use the bathroom, and when he went in, I just started kissing her neck and touching her. And she relaxed. Almost immediately, because it was just her night. And as we were making out, he came out and sat on the other side of her and started kind of mimicking what I was doing to her, and there was a point where her eyes just rolled back in her head and she tilted her head back. And from that point forward, it was game on,
and it just kind of flowed it was really easy. They both undressed me in tandem, which was really hot, and the whole experience just really felt very natural right up until actual penetration, and well so I've wanted to do DP, which is double penetration. We're all in. Are you guys. This has been a fantasy of mine for a long time so,
Leyna: oh it's a fantasy of yours.
Guest: Yes, yeah. And we had done like toys, you know, out of play,
I'm dying over here because I see the Mormon background, and I see you being like, wait, what how do you make this leap. You go from being my mind's been naughty for a long time very conservative Mormon to to this,
Leyna: right, but I guess it's because I don't understand the moment. So you know like so you're all I assume you're sitting on the bed. Yeah, you're louder both kids, they're both kissing you and touching you. But, like, So how do you go from bad to hey let's DP,
Guest: didn't work quite like that
yeah okay progress through oral, he went down on me, Adam was kissing my body and he was going down on me and then I went down on him. That was really really fun. And then we were kneeling on the bed facing each other, kissing each other and kind of doing a hot dog position, where his penis is basically just rubbing between my legs, but he didn't have a condom on and so Adam was getting, like, really worried that she accidentally penetrate me I'm thinking there's no way I'm gonna accidentally be penetrated by this gigantic car, but he was really worried. And I was looking at his face and he, I could see that he was a little bit worried, so I started going down on on him again and Adam got close to the bed and kind of crawled over and started going down Adam and he was just touching and rubbing and fingering me from behind and. And then, I don't,
we're so point where he wanted to penetrate you, Right, and he put on the condom and I really wanted to watch this, I wanted to watch the moment that another man penetrated my wife after so long. And so I sat back and watched his he entered her and that was the turn on. Yeah, that's pretty hot. Pay folk for a little while and then I suggested, because I knew it was a fantasy of hers suggested if she wanted to try DP or not.
Yeah, and we talked to him and he was game, but I was a little too nervous. There's certain things that you need to do to prep for anal, and I hadn't done any of those things that I was like this is, this is not this is not what is going to work right now.
Leyna: What are some of those things,
Guest: well there's like, you can you can wash yourself out or I tend to eat a little bit less ahead of time so that it can be nice and clean, there's like injectors that you can inject lube into yourself so that you just so it's easier to take a penis. That way, and it just kind of just being clean and realizing that everything is going to be clean, is a mental boost. For me, I'm like okay, every, this is not going to be gross because for me, I'm not into a body fluid thing at all, any kind of body fluid immediately turns me off, and I'm out. I didn't want it to ruin the situation to have any kind of wooops happened. So I just, I told him, I'm like I can't I'm not ready for that and then he he was like well what about d v, which is double vaginal penetration.
Leyna: Oh, with this guy with this horse?? And you like, sure?
Guest: I said, we can try, because he had added benefits to be before, like in our own way. Adam has fisted me before.
Leyna: OMG you guys!
Guest: And so I knew I could probably be more…
Leyna: I might be Mormon. I might be Mormon. Little surprise this just kind of popped up. By the way he has fisted me before. I've never talked to anyone who's been fisted before so
Guest: well not anally not anally fisted.
Leyna: Oh, I didn’t even though people did that.
Guest: Yes they do.
Leyna: Okay, so let's talk about can we talk about that for a second. Sure, yeah. So, whose Fantasy was that like before you ever tried it whose Fantasy was that,
Guest: well, so that wasn't really a fantasy. When I was pregnant with our first child. There was just like, some different things that would hurt. And so he would use his, his hands he just instead of penetrating me with his penis he would use his fingers and then he just start using more and more fingers, and the more I enjoyed it, the more he would try to work his hand, more and more in there, and I don't know what what gave me the idea but I was like, actually this might actually help in the child purse process. We were. I don't know I mean don't kid three and 25 at the time, I was 24 Yeah, it just, I don't know we just kind of naturally progressed to fist eight and then after, you know, when I wasn't pregnant, there wasn't actually something that I really enjoyed anymore. I was like okay, that hurts. And okay, I would like to recover all my kegels and everything like that so please, he was one of them. I did enjoy it that interesting. And you know I've had three kids, and I do work really hard on those kegels but I knew that I could probably do the double vaginal penetration. I just, I wanted to go really slow and use lots and lots of lube. And, and so he did.
Leyna: Could you, like talk me through how this happened.
Guest: So he was laying on the bed and I was straddling him.
Leyna: Unfortunately we are out of time for this episode hate to keep you hanging on like that. Actually I don't, you're gonna have to tune in next time for the rest of the story and I'm telling you, this couple, just getting started,
Guest: I would say he had the perfect penis size it was not necessarily super girthy but he was, it was long and the quality of erection was really pleasing, and he kind of had a way where hook to his tip.
Leyna: That's next time on Consenting Adults.
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