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A chemist and professor who can't keep up with his wife's sexual appetite ends up sharing her with one of his students and finds himself in a cuckold marriage. He no longer has sex with his wife, but they're still married and happy as a couple. Charles talks about other Asians in the lifestyle and his unique dynamic as an Asian cuck.
Ep 86 Asian Cuckold Couple
It turned out to be a highly embarrassing thing for me too, because I actually came before he did.
So were you're masturbating while you were watching?
I was told not to. And like I felt that
Charles, Did you touch yourself?
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So dirty talk? So sex talk. Yeah, it started off as dirty talk. I was actually like very excited to see my partner with somebody else. She looked at me and said, so you want to have sex with other people.
And you find it a turn on to hear about what he did. Yeah. And then it's like, I want to come home and get it the way she got it. Does he know you have a boyfriend? Yes. This is Consenting Adults with Leyna Nguyen
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I’m really excited about my guest today because while many Asians have reached out to me since I started doing the podcast, none have been willing to go on the show none ready to talk about their experience, which is understandable because it's still a very taboo topic in most communities. But certainly for some certain demographics. It's really taboo. Asians being one of them Vietnamese being a whole nother thing. We have Charles on the show today. He's a 42 year old chemist who also teaches at a university. He's married. His wife, Cindy is 34. She's in real estate. She's also beautiful. She does some modeling and they've got something really exciting going on. Charles, welcome to the show. Thanks for for coming on and agreeing to share your story. So you're out there in New York. City. At what point did you realize that you and your wife were kind of just not cut out for a traditional monogamous marriage?
Hi Leyna and thank you for having me on your podcast. I'm a big fan. My wife is the same too. Thank you. We start seeing each other, you know, several years before getting married. And even then, like I know that she has very high energy and there's something I'm unable to keep up with. We always like look for alternative and we both tend to be more open minded than most about this issue.
Is your wife also Vietnamese? She? Yes, yes. Okay. We should say that you've been married for about five years. Correct. And you've been what kind of open about it since the beginning. I mean, when did you actually start having sex with other people?
I haven't. She it was her. She felt that like we have a great emotional connection, but just not when it comes to sex. So you know, culturally, we we are both Vietnamese So we have strong ties, but when it comes to, you know, attraction, she is more into white males. So we definitely discussed that. And I was perfectly okay with it. And, you know, we thought to discuss it and she said that, like, yeah, she would love to see someone just for intimacy. And then we still we made a couple of the other way. Oh, so
Oh, this is a cuckolding relationship. Yes, hold on. I'm gonna go back to the beginning a little bit here. Okay, so when you said that, like the sexual connection wasn't there? What actually are you talking about? I mean, did you have good sex with her?
Well, the thing is that like, Asian men are the most well, not the most well endowed and like my stamina was kind of low too. So it was not very enjoyable for her.
Okay, and she was able to actually tell you this, or did you guys kind of spend some time not being honest?
Yeah, we be honest about that. I mean, it was like no secret at all. Oh,
interesting. I'm gonna have to talk to your wife. Because the interesting thing is, it sounds like it was an issue from the beginning. Right, right. And yet, I just find it intriguing that you still ended up together, you still married each other? Because you've been able to find a way to kind of work around just the sex part. Right? Right. Because everything else is is good, correct? Yes, everything is excellent. Yes. Okay. on your end, were you enjoying the sex with her?
It wasn't enjoyable for both of us because I was kind of anxious about too. It was something that we both kind of really didn't enjoy. It was not that good for neither one of us
Oh, interesting. How about before your wife was like sex ever enjoyable for you?
Well, like I don't have too many partners before her like only two before her and it was similar result to
Oh, okay. And were they Asian women?
Yes. They both for Asian too as well.
Okay. And did they ever express any displeasure?
I guess the first one she really didn't. But my second one, she did express it. And it was something that I was I knew too so we did talk about and she was very honest about too
My last guest told me like the most fragile thing on earth is the male ego. Right? How did you come to terms with that like Were you okay with it from the beginning? Or did it take you some time before you accepted it and and, you know, tried to find a workaround?
Not like the traditional very, like dominant type kind of male. So it was something that like, I feel that of course, everyone wants to be like the bull or the stud but like, I think if you can’t there’s like nothing wrong with like, you know, being a cuck, they have like a way for you to enjoy it and accept your shortcomings and, and make the best out of it.
Okay, so let's get into how you got started. So, you know, you had an open conversation, but like, how did you go about finding someone for your wife?
The one that she ended up having is a student of mine. I taught him in his freshman and his sophomore year, and we still you know, stay in contact throughout his four years in college. And, you know, he I was like a, not only his professor, but so like a mentor to him. And he went over the house several times. And even then, like, we definitely see that there was some, like some attraction between them too. And then later when we decide to talk about this, you know, I came up to Trey and and her as well and let them know that this is something that you know, we both comfortable with, and if he was willing to be her bull, and he definitely was receptive to it, but I guess, in beginning it still take him a little bit to adjust to his new role because of, you know, the changing dynamic and stuff like that. So
Wow, so he's much younger?
Yes, he is. I believe he's about 22 Right. Now. 22-23
Oh, wow. Okay. Do you remember like the first sexual experience your wife had with him?
Hold her hands and took her to the room. And then I followed them and then you know, in the room, it will be our bed. That was a chair, like about six feet away from it where I will sit and then it was a very novel experience for everyone. And at first, it was not what you think, but afterward, I thought everyone felt good about the experience.
Okay, when you say that, it wasn't what everyone thought it would be. What do you mean?
I think that a lot of time people will see that when you actually do it for the first time like the first time like, everything is not established yet. Like you don't have like a everyone doesn't have like a defined role yet, the first time and for me, it was like it sound a lot better inside your head. But when it comes down to it, it's a little bit different.
Oh, tell me about that. Were you jealous?
Yes, the feeling of anxiety and jealousy does come up. Because like you know, he's someone that like she find they attracted to. And also the big thing too, is that like, the changing dynamic between him and I too, as well before it was like he was my student. I was his mentor. And then now it's, we have like a different relationship now than before.
Oh, yeah. He's sleeping with your wife. Oh, but I get it. So there's a power dynamic change now. Right, right. Yes. Now, within that jealousy, were you aroused were you turned on?
Oh, yes. Definitely. Just seeing like his stamina and his like, it was like she's the one who was overwhelmed. You know, after the session is over with was something that like, blew my mind completely. It's like, I have feel intimidated and have felt this is like, wow, it's like really erotic.
Okay. So this was the first time for everyone involved. First time for you first. Time for him. First time for your wife. Right?
Yeah. I mean, like he, he did it with couples who the husband would be outside but that was the first time that it was someone with you? Yeah.
Oh, okay. Yeah. So then this guy actually has been a bull for other couples. Yes. Okay. And do you think that that helped? Because Can you imagine if he had no experience?
Oh, yeah. But that definitely helped because, like, you know, like, as I should say it again, it was his first time doing it with someone that he knows. Before it was it was like, it was just like, yeah, random hookups correct. Yes. So it was his first time that it was someone that he knows and found that it was easiest for him. out of us three was the easiest for him. Yes,
sure. Okay, after this first experience is over. Did you and your wife have discussions?
Yes, we did. She felt that like he is someone that not like she says she wants someone not just like, you know, to be her sex partner, but also someone who can be like a mentor and like someone who's like, could be like the leader in our group, because it's not something that we just do short term, we want this to be something that is ongoing. So I say that like my passive personality is like in very different contrast to him. So she thought that like, you know, having someone who's very assertive and very confident would definitely help us too as a couple and not just her.
You both knew you wanted more of this, right? Correct. Yes. Okay. And it sounds like she's enjoying the having a more dominant male in the bedroom.
Yes, because before I always assumed that she was dominant, but it turns out like she's only dominant in comparison to me. I do see that over time. She, she's very submissive to him.
What is your dynamic now? Are you still with the same guy?
Yes, he has been seeing or not a couple too as well. They are Japanese couple. The husband there is a little bit older than me and and a wife is older than my wife too. So it's an older couple too for the five of us would you know, a time to like hang out and we even like vacation together a few times.
Oh, okay. So you've like actually developed friendships out of this. Yes. Now have the five of you ever got into a sexual situation together?
No, it just him and and our two wives. We we are roommates from the other room, but we were not involved in with them.
Oh, okay. So but then But then the two wives have gotten together with Trey. Correct? Yeah, at one time correct. Yeah, and then and then the two husbands are in a separate room, correct? Yes. When you guys are in the separate room. Are you listening in? Or are you just like watching TV?
It depends on what's permitted because the key like she definitely don't mind if we listen in. But she don't want us to do it. Unless like, you know, she says, Okay, we may mainly stick around just to like, play more like a helper role with that.
Interesting. And Key is the other wife? correct. Yes. Okay. Have you guys experimented with other people? Or is it been just this one man?
Um, she had been seeing I think like couple other men but like she doesn't do it all like it not at the same time. It was just like, I think she did see like a few other men but it's mainly with Trey though because I think that she's into younger men. So that's someone that she she wants to be with.
So how much involvement do you have when she gets together with her bull? Like, are you always in the other room or do you ever participate?
participate as in like, Well, I mean, I didn't like you know, changing their sheets or like just picking up their clothes and stuff like that, but not participate sexually.
How about like watching Are you ever watching and masturbating? I mean, more than just sitting there and watching?
Yes, on special occasion they, they do permit that. That one the most erotic thing ever was like seeing like two women, you know, giving him a blowjob. And I thought that was extremely erotic. And it turned out to be a highly embarrassing thing for me too, because I actually came before he did. So that's why Yeah, so that's why like, you know, they said, I'm not ready to watch the threesome yet.
So were you masturbating while you were watching?
I was told not to. And like I felt that
Charles! Did you touch yourself?
You did so you broke the rules touched yourself and you orgasmed before he did
Okay. Yes. Is your wife able to do things with her bull that she just doesn't do with you?
I think that with their relationship it's it's a lot like I guess like a BDSM relationship to Oh, like because like she enjoy being submissive. So with him being naturally dominant that only makes sense.
So what So what like does he spank her? Yeah, I
I wasn't like able to like see like what they do a lot of time but like, I just know that from seeing like, some time I see a leash and stuff like that, like some time like, you know, like I see her crawling around, you know, the house.
Can we go back to the first time. So the three of you go into the bedroom, you sit down on the chair. He starts to take her clothes off. Is she at any time like making eye contact with you? Are you guys checking in with each other?
Yes. And I think this is this play a lot into like the ego of the of the bull too. If like, they really enjoy to fuck the wife while the cuck is watching and a lot of time like they would have like the cuck like you know kneel in front of the bed or something and like, do the wife from behind and like that exactly what happened. And I found out from that, from that time on, like definitely something changed that we couldn't go back to the way things were before any more. Because like, I think that like just seeing like how highly aroused she was was was something that like, you know, I could never give to her that first time when I see like, you know, he was like doing doggy to her and with me watching kneeling before them and watching I felt that that experience sort of like established the dynamic and the tone for the rest of the relationship.
Right. Wow. And you so you, you have no desire to to go back to the way things were. No, like why would you Right? Right. You both are getting off on on this new dynamic? Yes. So you've never participated sexually? With them ever
No. besides masturbating.
Interesting. Is there any thought that that might change? Like do you have any desire to take part?
Maybe this is a little bit hard for someone who's not like in the lifestyle to, to comprehend but a lot of times it's like it's the cuck who needs the couple, you know, I mean, because like the cuck needs the couple to get off. So like being able to watch it's always something about the cuck is, I guess grateful for already and let alone like like even watching. It's not like every you know, every time occurrence. It's only on very special occasions that I can't get to watch. Right.
So that's your dynamic so you don't always get to watch call only sometimes get to watch yes and then even less. There are only special occasions where you're allowed to masturbate while you’re watching.
Yes, And like, the first time when I you know, actually touch myself the next time when I was watching them. It's like, hey, now you're going to put your hand on top your head. Well, we can see it. Actually no touching. Yes.
Oh, you're a bad boy. All right, at least you don't listen. You don't listen to directions. Well, Charles, you're gonna keep your hands where I can see them,
right? Yes, ma'am.
Here's the thing. It may sound so weird and out there. Right, right. Maybe even to other cucks. Right? It may seem weird and out there that you don't ever really get to participate. But the thing is, it works for you guys. It turns everyone on.
Right and, and the important thing too is that like, it has to be enjoyable and pleasurable for everyone. It can't just be like it like this is something that cannot be abusive. And I think a lot of time like we get used to the idea of like like you know, like equal society and stuff like that. Well, the thing is that, like, I certainly feel that in my profession. It's, you know, like a lot of time like I feel that I always have to tell students what to do, how to do things and show them things like that. And it was it's nice just to be able to like, just let it go and have someone you know, lead you for for change.
Do you and your wife still have sex?
We do not. Because she certainly feel that like, if it was disappointing before it's definitely too disappointing now because say that like, you know, like her white stud thought she felt that he's have very, you know, long stamina and she just feel that like it was just too amazing with him for for her to do anything else. But she does emphasize that the love never changes. It's always there. And that like she certainly don't feel anything different towards me emotionally or like in terms of like how much he loved me, but now we don't have we barely even we have like a few times even before that, you know, nothing really changes what I'm saying in terms of her and our sex life,
So even before you got into the lifestyle, you really weren't having that much sex to begin with. Oh, right. I see. And so now you're really not having sex at all. And you're okay with that?
Absolutely. Yes. Because for me like, it would only be enjoyable if she also finds it enjoyable.
I see. Has this changed your marriage at all? Since you started this whole thing?
Oh yeah, I think that like with him in a picture more, a lot of times. I think that like our love for one another still remained the same. But like, you know, he's around more often and stuff like that. So, yeah, again, there's always that fear or that anxiety that way, you know, would she go with him and stuff like that, but it's reassuring to know that like, you know, he see other women and other couples too. So the chance of him like wanting something serious is very slim.
But how do you deal with that? How do you deal with the anxiety of possibly losing your wife to someone who can please her in bed?
I think that that's one of the thing that draw like someone who's who has a very submissive and passive nature like me, because like, I think that feeling of anxiety is also like a very pleasurable feeling too, as well. So you're correct. Yes. Yeah. It's like, I think it's the same with like, different feelings can like kind of ask something like very erotic.
Do your family and friends know what's going on here?
Family not so much. But like, we have some friends like in the circle that knows about in my area. That's like a lot of like other like Koreans and Chinese couples too. And they have a similar arrangement too. So it's not something that's like very completely off for them.
Right now, where are these friends before you got into the lifestyle or friends you made in the lifestyle
we make in the lifestyle Okay,
but what about your friends before like in your, you know, your vanilla life? Do any of them know?
Couple of them do? Yeah, but only a few. Yeah, it's not like everyone No, but like a few of our close friends do know that. You know, we that she see Trey on on the side and stuff like that. And they think to be okay with it.
Now, just Trey have like a regular girlfriend. Like his own?
Yes. Yes, he does. He does. Yes.
Okay. And what did she think about this?
I met her only twice. From what I know she seemed fine with because, you know, she could get together with my wife and Key too. So it's, it was
Wait…Trey’s girlfriend. Like has had sexual experiences with your wife and the other wife.
And with him too obvious. Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah,
Trey, Trey’s the dude, he's. Yeah, he's having a lot of fun. Yes. Is she Asian?
Yes. I want to say she's, she's half Chinese and half Vietnamese, I believe.
I know that you say that you've kind of accepted everyone's roles. Right? It sounds like you've kind of settled in. So this is your role. This is his and this is hers and everything seems to be working right now. But do you have any fantasies I mean, do you have fantasies that you want to fulfill that you haven't?
I think ideally, if like anyone could be a bull or a stud, or whatever they would, but it's like it just like saying, Oh, everybody wants to be a king right or if I want to be the billionaire, but only certain number of people could be that. But it doesn't mean that you can't enjoy yourself or find like pleasure in other things, besides being the bull or the stud, like, I think that that being a cuckold could definitely be very fulfilling. I actually really enjoyed my role as a cuck
what do you think would be the reaction of most Asian males hearing this?
I definitely think that like they should be more open minded and like accepting of things like if they do enjoy it, you can enjoy it. Don't don't like hold back because I just know that like I'm like, talking like on forums and stuff like that. It there's a high number of them that enjoy these things. Oh, yeah, but they wouldn't like very comfortable saying in public and stuff like that
Interesting. So there are a lot of Asian males who are into cuckold and they just don't want to really talk about it right. It's hard for them to how long have you been in the US?
I was here since I was nine years old. So like we’re talking like over 30 something years now already.
Do you speak Vietnamese? I do. Okay, so this is really interesting to me, because, you know, I share these episodes on YouTube, which gets a lot of attention from people outside of the US and there's a lot of interest in Vietnam. Of course they can't understand it. So I tried to get my episodes translated, but do you know the Vietnamese terms for the like, what is cuckold? Like is there such a thing in Vietnamese?
I don't know. I weird, right? Yeah. I don't know if that's a term for they cam sung, cam sung? Cam,sung cam sung? Yes. Yes. Which is weird. Because I think that like back in the days when you like a cuckold, it's like, it's like to have horns put on your head. So they call it cam sung. So yeah, but as far as Oh, yeah. It's cam and not Gum. Cam sung. Oh, yes. Right.
It's so difficult to talk about these things. When when you don't know the lingo. You know when and I'm not sure that there's there's a word for everything. Like for instance, like my episodes are translated into Vietnamese subtitles on YouTube and I have yet to look, but like, like, how do you say orgy in Vietnamese? Like
I don't hear it's being that Vietnam is like a fairly conservative society to right. A lot of these things originate in the West, you know, with, with Freud and well with Freud, the father of psychology, you know, he, he's the one who's thinking about these things. So I definitely think that a lot the term you won't find in Vietnamese, or if you find it, you say, a peer will look at you very strange.
They're not understanding. You're not gonna know what the heck you're talking about. I'm just hoping that the people who are actually looking for the content, kind of understand what it's about and it's difficult enough to talk about it. When there are words to describe it. Right. So you can imagine how difficult the conversation is when there are no words to describe some of the things that we're talking about.
It's something that should be less taboo, for sure. And I hope that will happen.
I think it's going to take a while. And especially for our communities, Asian Americans, Vietnamese, in particular, by the way, and I don't know if you've heard of it, down here in the OC, where it's the largest Vietnamese population outside of Vietnam. I have heard from now three people who've had first hand experiences at the lifestyle within the Vietnamese community in Orange County. So I know it exists, but I think a lot more people take part in it than than we know. And certainly more than who are willing to admit right with Vietnamese can be freaky, too.
Thanks Charles, for sharing your story and I'm really looking forward to talking to you Vietnamese vixen wife! Alright, next time, on Consenting Adults--As promised, Mistress Tatynana's husband, telling me about the total control she has over him.
Guest: When your he brings you breakfast in bed, if he makes a mistake do you, do you paddle him?
Guest: Cuz that happens to me.
Leyna: Oh! You mean like...my eggs are too runny, get on all fours?
Guest: That could happen
Leyna: That's next time, on Consenting Adults.
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